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Post by star on May 18, 2005 20:50:48 GMT 1
It certainly was a crime as I've stated. I've also stated that Croatia should not let past events develop into a victim culture like it did in Serbia. I think in his own crude way Emiz is trying to say the same thing.
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Post by EMIZ on May 18, 2005 21:06:42 GMT 1
baba..why would you think I married a Serbian are you suggesting that ones nationality influences how they view a topic? i.e. you're a Croat so you must see everything through Croatian eyes? Barba you cannot plead ignorance as you are studying this, thus you must admit that you cannot be objective as you have proven many times before and your only interest is in making Croatia look like the wonderful innocent victim. If my wife was Serbian I wouldn't be ashamed of it I would say so, I would also spend my time on visit serbia.com.
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Post by Ghost Writer on May 18, 2005 21:31:03 GMT 1
Barb is not playing Croatia as the victim.
We want the truth to come out. Croatia gets blamed for alot of things that are just not true.
I think all Croatians are aware of the Crimes that Croatians committed during the war..... but what about Serbs coming out and admitting their Crimes....
Serbs will not admit this but throw all blame on Croatians.
I have done my homework and know what the truth is.
We as Croatians owe an apology to the world but the world also owes Croatians an apology too. We have been blamed for every atroscitie that existed in Yugo and that is just not fair. Let the truth come out about good Croatians that did great things in WW2.
Croatian Hero's have been lied about by YUGO and propaganda has over shadow some really great people of Croatia. We have all been made out to be wicked evil ustasha's which just is not true!
Let the truth be unveiled. That would never happen because no one wants to take the blame for what Croatia has already been blamed for. Many Countries have sealed their documents and hidden their crimes and will never come forward and take blame or apoligize.
Everyone keeps talking about Bleiburg(death marches) there is alot more than just that. There is alot of that has been hidden about WW2. Swept under the rug and let everything bad fall on to the Croatians we make great scape goats.
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Post by croam on May 18, 2005 22:18:24 GMT 1
Ghost: what happened to TipRat...we need him or her on the 54 boards....there are some uber chetniks on there ting on a croatian forum. Requesting backup.
ahahahahahahaha....
Cheers to all!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Ghost Writer on May 18, 2005 22:55:13 GMT 1
I have not been on the Cro boards for a while....
I will have to check out whats goin on...
I don't really have alot of time to do both boards. Sometimes I don't even have time to come here.
I was off yesterday and today so I am able to play on the pc...
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Post by EMIZ on May 19, 2005 9:01:31 GMT 1
Ghost writer, fair enough then if you accept your history then you have a write to know all of your history.
Just remember that when you are shouting for justice and the truth, how that may be taken by people that are aware of some of Croatia's history, other than that you have every reason to know the truth, Bleirburg included.
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Post by plajburg on May 31, 2005 17:15:12 GMT 1
EMIZ why is that such a wonder to you? Civilians fleeing from conflict areas is nothing new. Old Guest, I came across the testimony of Bernard O'Sullivan from Cape Town who participated in the events. I think his analysis is true but only part of the story: I had forgotten that the partizans, along with the Red Army had entered Austria. It makes sense that the allies would have sacrificed the Croats if they thought it would get them out of there. But some historians also insisted that the West was trying to cultivate a relationship with Tito so they gave him what he wanted. Tito was a crafty bugger who played both sides. If he didn't get something from the west, he would go to moscow and vice versa. Tito played them all for fools but by the 1980's the whole communist system in eastern europe began to crack, including in Yugoslavia.
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Post by plajburg on May 31, 2005 17:17:09 GMT 1
Could you tell me where you got this quote from? I´d appreciate it.
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Post by Midgezg on May 31, 2005 23:47:04 GMT 1
Totally over the top TipRat.
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Post by Anna on Jun 1, 2005 0:18:49 GMT 1
No personal attacks PLEASE on this forum.
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Post by Toni1 on Jun 1, 2005 0:25:05 GMT 1
Re Bleiburg: of is regretable that so many Croats were butchered by YU communists, after the Brits handed them over.
But the Ustashe declared war on the UK, and if you lose a war, you can expect little mercy.
It must not be all forgotten that 300,000 Croats joined the resistance (partisans), as they were appaled by the Ustashe crimes.
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Post by Luka on Jun 1, 2005 0:27:44 GMT 1
TipRat, I sure that you are not proud of many crimes comitted by the Ustashe?
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Post by TipratTiprat on Jun 1, 2005 0:34:31 GMT 1
Luka
Take a look at this post, it’s about the crimes committed by the English and partisans against the croats killing 500 000 off us in that small amount of time…… Ustashe were defending Croatian freedom, if everyone kept of Croatian soil there would have been no need for it, Stick to the topic…. Or shal we talk about how at the moment English are killingf Iraqis?...... We don’t owe any apology’s, how about Croatia gets an apology??
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Post by CroatianSerbAbroad on Jun 1, 2005 0:51:23 GMT 1
Many posts on this thread make little sense, TipRat you cannot talk about foreign people on Croatian soil because there were more Croatians in the Partisan Army than the Ustashe Army and therefore the Ustashe were not representative of the Croatian people.
The Ustashe were a fascist army put in place by a puppet government, if you look at history it is Macek and not Pavelic who should have led Croatia through the difficult period of WWII. If he had history would have been vastly different, maybe today would be better.
The Ustashe were not widely supported through Croatia so it is not fair for all the Croatians who fought on the side of Partisans to argue that only Ustashe were fighting for freedom for Croatia, i am sure many Croatian Partisans were equally proud of Croatia and fighting in the hope it would create a better country.
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Post by tiprattiprat on Jun 1, 2005 1:11:48 GMT 1
Croats in the partisan amry were either traitors (Today we call them new borns) or forced to join. Ustahse were pro Croatia, they started our freedom and Tudjman finished it. Once again look at the topic of this thread have respect for the 500 000 people killed by partisans (mainly Serbians) and English. Obviously you have no respect
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