croam
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Sept 10, 2005 0:16:38 GMT 1
Post by croam on Sept 10, 2005 0:16:38 GMT 1
David, Its funny then that you work for the US military...despise the US and our current president AND you recognize the Hague court with the undestanding that the US is behind Croatia, even if not on paper. Sooooooo.... just interesting....thats all. PS why haven't you, David, found Gotovina yet? That is the question. P.S.S. "Contractor" hahahahahaha.... lemme guess. Your a TV repairman. Try to be a bit more discreet. jesus christ, who's side are you on? (just kidding)
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Sept 10, 2005 0:46:24 GMT 1
Post by davidzg on Sept 10, 2005 0:46:24 GMT 1
I have nothing to do with diplomatic circles, I am the regional manager, with that region being the Balkans of a company that provides items both to the military and to the military personnel.
Old guest, I'm not Emiz..well I am one..but not the one you think.
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Sept 10, 2005 1:37:31 GMT 1
Post by how on Sept 10, 2005 1:37:31 GMT 1
'bout croatia makes tv channel FY2 EU and FY2U2 CARLA
maybe that would help
just been on the news ....more than 50 % of mexicans love , i mean LOVE NAFTA ;D
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Sept 10, 2005 18:39:54 GMT 1
Post by midge on Sept 10, 2005 18:39:54 GMT 1
Del Ponte points to tough EU "dilemma" in Western Balkans. Brief News: The international Prosecutor for former Yugoslavia, Carla Del Ponte, reiterated calls for Croatia and Serbia-Montenegro to fully co-operate with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and hand over war crime suspects. Otherwise, the EU should not integrate these countries, she said. "It is hard to imagine Croatia, Serbia-Montenegro […] and Bosnia-Herzegovina joining the European Union with each nation preparing ideologically the next conflict," she said at a press conference in Bern on 1 September. Del Ponte said that the EU faced a dilemma: "Either integrate the Western Balkans even before a genuine reconciliation process has taken place and risk importing conflicts, or wait until a solid peace is established, but this may mean decades, and nobody can predict what can happen in the mean time." "Should the EU begin stabilisation and association talks [with Belgrade] on Oct. 5, while Mladic is still at large, this would gravely compromise the prospect of an arrest anytime soon," she warned. The EU will decide on 5 October whether to open so-called "stabilisation talks" with Belgrade. taken from www.euractiv.com
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Sept 12, 2005 21:51:23 GMT 1
Post by Truth be told on Sept 12, 2005 21:51:23 GMT 1
I have nothing to do with diplomatic circles, I am the regional manager, with that region being the Balkans of a company that provides items both to the military and to the military personnel. Old guest, I'm not Emiz..well I am one..but not the one you think. So, Ghost was telling the truth about you. You are emiz and the others. How sad that you called Ghost all kinds of names and she was telling the truth. Which you have just admitted to now. Posted by croam on Sept 10, 2005, 1:16am David, Its funny then that you work for the US military...despise the US and our current president AND you recognize the Hague court with the undestanding that the US is behind Croatia, even if not on paper. Sooooooo.... just interesting....thats all. I find this interesting as well. How would someone that is English be working for the American Military and also not be fluent in Croatian? I can't believe Ghost has not mentioned this one? Croam I am surprised you never asked this also. I find it fasinating that in one of David's posts that you mention American military and their thoughts about Iraq after their tour is over in Iraq? I find that strange since military personel would not be coming home from Iraq to Croatia but Iraq back to America. How would you be able to talk to someone that has just finished their tour in Iraq? You know what? We need more people like Croam/Ghost/and myself that question the motives and answers that some of these posters are posting. The same 3 or 4 posters all always agree and all sound similar. They all want to project the same image of Croatia and America and it sure feels like a negative image? *Croam where do you live in America?
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Sept 13, 2005 7:28:29 GMT 1
Post by irac2 on Sept 13, 2005 7:28:29 GMT 1
as a matter of interest, tbt, are you the same person as just not so? Just a question.
I think it's clear that no matter what happens with mr. Cash, the most important thing Croatia needs to do is rewind almost 20 years and adopt a little something the Russians did, namely, Glasnost and Perestroika, everything here in Croatia is closed, media, government, one hand washes the next and it's not improving, what's worse is that the cycle of poverty is pulling more and more people into it, check out the near slums that exist in the environs of Split with, in July alone, 15 houses bulldozed for having no building licence, the reason? The people couldn't afford to fight for the release of the licence. This is a major reason for EU nervousness, same goes for Turkey with it's tent cities.
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Sept 13, 2005 12:04:13 GMT 1
Post by ROG on Sept 13, 2005 12:04:13 GMT 1
Del Ponte points to tough EU "dilemma" in Western Balkans. Brief News: The international Prosecutor for former Yugoslavia, Carla Del Ponte, reiterated calls for Croatia and Serbia-Montenegro to fully co-operate with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and hand over war crime suspects. Otherwise, the EU should not integrate these countries, she said. "It is hard to imagine Croatia, Serbia-Montenegro […] and Bosnia-Herzegovina joining the European Union with each nation preparing ideologically the next conflict," she said at a press conference in Bern on 1 September. Del Ponte said that the EU faced a dilemma: "Either integrate the Western Balkans even before a genuine reconciliation process has taken place and risk importing conflicts, or wait until a solid peace is established, but this may mean decades, and nobody can predict what can happen in the mean time." "Should the EU begin stabilisation and association talks [with Belgrade] on Oct. 5, while Mladic is still at large, this would gravely compromise the prospect of an arrest anytime soon," she warned. The EU will decide on 5 October whether to open so-called "stabilisation talks" with Belgrade. taken from www.euractiv.comWell, after reading this I can only conclude that - Madam "prosecutor" is very much involved in politics (EU-Balcans relationships especialy), and her political standpoints are very conservative (nothing too original. Just riggid. In short - EU PC). So, who ever was supposed to be targeted by her brilliant politica observations (on path of "new European conservativism) - should vote for Carla. But what this bunch of political nonsenses has to do with justice and her mandate on International War Crimes Tribunal ? Another question is - who gave her mandate for this ? EU ? By spending UNs money, EU seams to started "solving" its own foreign politics, using mandate of non EU birocrats "in rental". Well, now I understand and support oppinion of "other sort of conservative" (Bolton) who wasnt choosing nice words while talking about Madame ...
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Sept 13, 2005 12:07:28 GMT 1
Post by davidzg on Sept 13, 2005 12:07:28 GMT 1
Off topic.
Old guest, do you who is paying for the roads in Sloevnia? Is it Eu money? Has Croatia been able to get any money from the EU for roads?
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Sept 13, 2005 12:17:53 GMT 1
Post by ROG on Sept 13, 2005 12:17:53 GMT 1
Off topic. Old guest, do you who is paying for the roads in Sloevnia? Is it Eu money? Has Croatia been able to get any money from the EU for roads? Hmmm ... Slovenia was paying for highways mostly in directions to Italy and Hungary (long-term credit lines plus local consesions). Political strategy (unfortunately - negative for Croatia, but worked well for Slovenia) was to "wait with connecting to Croatia", so EU didnt had any other option then at the end to payed highways to Croatia, plus "border control infrastructure" (Slovenia never sow then as "priority")... Croatia was "getting money" mostly by "credit lines" from many sources (many came with American Bectel), but EU wasnt involved in any...
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Sept 13, 2005 12:36:31 GMT 1
Post by davidzg on Sept 13, 2005 12:36:31 GMT 1
Interesting, It did feel to me that Slovenia was attempting to isolate Croatia from Europe by leaving in place roads only fit for a third world country.
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Sept 13, 2005 12:42:02 GMT 1
Post by ROG on Sept 13, 2005 12:42:02 GMT 1
Interesting, It did feel to me that Slovenia was attempting to isolate Croatia from Europe by leaving in place roads only fit for a third world country. Well, Slovenia indeed "isolated" Croatia, but ot because it was "political long term strategy", then because to "not stay too away" from region, counting on EUs injections in region when "times come". So strategy was to enter EU, but leave strong "disconnection" with it which shoud be "regaped" by EUs money. Slovenia is selling only on Balcan markets, investing a lot in Cloatia, and in long terms it can only benefit from Croatia entering EU. Other story is "local politics" which is very much 1:1 to Croatian (driven by claustrophobia and nationalism). Of course since Slovenia is "EUs pearl", nobody talks about it loudly.
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Sept 13, 2005 12:52:13 GMT 1
Post by ROG on Sept 13, 2005 12:52:13 GMT 1
To make it more clear ... Slovenia was "calculating" at time with position of "Balcans authority" planing to get EUs mandate for "solving conflicts in region". Last attempts was by "starting conflicts" with Croatia and pushing other ex. Yugoslavia countries to "open Adriatic sea borders on table" ... EU didnt showed too much understanding for such approach, so Slovenia turned "ship" in direction of supporting Croatia (because this is only way for them to solve "internationa sea" enigmas politicaly created at time when they planed to be "Balcan protectors".
Only on internal political stage in Slovenia, conservatives (in majority) are "collecting points" by opening "border conflicts" with Croatia. But each time when it "grows to high and wide", and EU or potential "international arbitrary" are mentioned - they calm down.
But I believe they still count on "some nice conflict on Balcans" which will give them some arbitrary powers and mandate from EU for expanding interests on Balcans (at least this is strategy of conservatives). If you look closer at Del Pontes political engagements on Balcans ... it makes sense, and it is not so unlogical to see Slovenia "sitting on two chairs" all the time.
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Sept 13, 2005 18:56:07 GMT 1
Post by Truth be told on Sept 13, 2005 18:56:07 GMT 1
What is funny is that someone mentioned how Croatia has not followed thru with what the EU requested for entry.
Just not so. The majority of requests from the EU have been fufilled by Croatia.
What makes this funny is this. Almost all EU entrants have not completed all requests required to enter EU but were allowed to enter EU anyway. Ireland/UK.
So saying that, denied entry is because of Gotovina or some other things is just not so! If they can let other countries slip thru without completing all requirements that why not Croatia?
I really wonder what the real reason is?
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Sept 13, 2005 19:06:49 GMT 1
Post by MidgeZg on Sept 13, 2005 19:06:49 GMT 1
Well who knows, it's all politics. Gotovina is stiil somewhere out there, far from the Hague. But still, other countries, the ones you are referring to, haven't gone through the chaos of war, and post-war reality. That's a big difference!
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Sept 13, 2005 19:48:41 GMT 1
Post by Truth be told on Sept 13, 2005 19:48:41 GMT 1
Well who knows, it's all politics. Gotovina is stiil somewhere out there, far from the Hague. But still, other countries, the ones you are referring to, haven't gone through the chaos of war, and post-war reality. That's a big difference! So Croatia should be banned for a war they did not start? It was also not to long ago that you could not go a day without seeing something in the paper about a bombing or attempted bombing in the countries I was referring too. If you think it is peace that allows entry into the EU than I think you are quite wrong.
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