79%of Croats agains selling property to foreign pe

[Daria]

I think that any Croat who sells their property to a foreigner is pathetic.Dont you see Croatia is being invaded by other countries. Like i know its great for the tourist seasons but you are selling your country away! Think about all the culture that needs to be maitntained. When other cultures come in theyll expect to have the same necessities as they do in their hometown, which will eventually ruin Croatia! So i say if you are Croat and selling your property, sell it to a CROAT!

[irac]

sadly Daria most countries, from teh US to Bangladesh to Ireland to Croaia, a lot of the property and business is externally owned. Most Croatians, as you probably know, have enough of a time to pay bills and make ends meet, not to worry about buying a house. What's sad is that as property prices rise, so will diminsih the chances of young married couples of getting onto the property ladder. In Ireland property "investors" have pumped up prices so much that it's near impossible, without a lot of colourful lies, for people to buy a first home, let alone one in anoher country.

Don't think of it as selling out, think of it as money coming into the country, that, with wisdom and a bit of hope, will circulate in the economy!

[EMIZZZZAGREB]

Daria, okay so you don't want foreigners living in Croatia, this is fine, however this means that all Croatians living outside of Croatia must return, I am sure you will agree, all their foreign assets must be taken away.
If foreigners cannot own anything in Croatia the same must be true or Croatians abroad, this is fine let’s continue.

There are 20 times more Croatians outside of Croatian than foreigners in Croatia, now all these Croats return, without jobs, without homes, these Croats who are supporting their families back in Croatia.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist, to see what will happen next. People in Croatia will start to starve to death.

Seriously why is everybody so soft with such idiotic ideas? I can even fathom such stupid views, Daria get out of the 1500's. Croatia needs foreigners.

[Culchie]

Oh goody, is that the new rules ?

49 million Irish on the way back from the USA then..... think I'll start up a B & B business

Daria .... how and why did you learn such good English ?

[EMIZZZZAGREB]

No the Irish don't have to come back, they appreciate that we live in a global world, only the Croats suffer because of people like Daria, the scary thing is people like Daria are living outside of Croatia.

[irac]

Oh no, please, we have enough in Ireland to deal with economic migrants, original Irish are bad enough as it is

I think what DAria's overlooking is that many foreigners are working to preserve Croatian culture when many who have returned are building it away. For example the preservation of hidden archaeological sites along the new coastal motorway was dreadful until a group from marburg Uni in german stepped in and complained, bringing it to the EU and then Zagreb was slapped down on. What was Sanader's excuse "We wished tgo open up the coast to better economy to move away from only being for tourism." Hmm, I guess he must have forgotten what his home area's like...!

[Daria]

Culchie, i was born in Canada and live here so thats how i know good english

Ok let me clearify, I meant that we shouldnt sell EVERYTHING away....many think that ohh a foreigner is here and they want to buy my house so they must have money and ill sell it to them (this is my opinion) Know do we want all of Croatia to end up having 5% Croats and 95% Foreigners..no and thats what i meant. We should start paying more attention, if foreigners come in and take practically everything where will all the true croats go?

[Daria]

ohh and emiz im out of the 1500's you dont have to worry ;D

[irac]

Daria, you've said a really spurious thing, "true" Croat, going down that line is only going to make further divsions? How does one "become Croat", if my kids are born there do they then "become Croat"? Market forces move people and thanks be to God that people have freedom of choice, and do you really think so many foreigners would want to live in Croatia? Even many Croatians don't want to live there? Who's fault is that? And besides, when EU enlargement swallows Croatia, nationality, after some time, will become such a non-issue that those who live here will understand it.

[Daria]

well irac, havent u been keeping track on these boards many foreigners especially from the uk want to live in Croatia...and let me rephrase myself not "true croat" but just "croat"

[alsdoubles]

Not all Croats are the same. They have the riot squad out down Sibenik for the local inter-town basketball matches. And even have 2 token black players in the team, who would not be tolerated were they not basketball players. Dalmatia, the tourism powerhouse of earnings throughout the Yugoslav period, appears to have been left with little infrastructure. Like no gas, for instance. Crap housing, crap roads. Houses avalaible after the war for a few kuna are now buyable by foreigners, (and there are hundreds of thousands of them still available), despite the system, which is hostile for foreigners. I think 79%'ish of Croats don't want to be in the EU. That's how dumb they are. They'll all be better off, in the long run. Unless you market your own wine, pork, chickens, nuts, butter, eggs etc. Which would all have to come up to EU standards. And many people have that pleasure. And so will the foreigners who've bought there and may see their properties actually rise in value.
Globalisation. Who wants it. Amercanisation, which is looking like the 1000 year war against the rest of the world. Unless someone pull them back. And in this situation, forever how long it lasts, and I am in England right now...I see Croatia as an oasis of some kind of peace. Which is why I went there in the first place. Regardless of the problems I've encountered in being there. (Like rubbish food, a hostile system, and a winter that chilled me to the marrow). That's about it. End of story.

[irac]

Dalmatia has been left behind the rest of the country, to a degree, in infrastructure terms. Grand gestures like the motorway are all fine, but schools, hospitals and general housing are a disgrace. Is it cold now over in London Als? I came back to Dublin and it snowed, it's like I brought it with me!

Daria, like any country that has a bit of heat in the summer, and less cold, generally, in the winter, those from colder climates like to gravitate there, but despite the tv and other media reports, Croatia is still behind Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Cyprus, Grece, Turkey and even Malta, oh and Florida and the Caribean, in terms of buyers from the Uk and Ireland.

But you avoided my questions, what makes a person a Croat? I hope it isn't the nonsense idea that being born of parents from a country makes you more of that country than one who is born there?

[elaine]

Would an Alsation puppy born on an aeroplane be a Skye Terrier?

[alsdoubles]

irac said:

Dalmatia has been left behind the rest of the country, to a degree, in infrastructure terms. Grand gestures like the motorway are all fine, but schools, hospitals and general housing are a disgrace. Is it cold now over in London Als? I came back to Dublin and it snowed, it's like I brought it with me!

Daria, like any country that has a bit of heat in the summer, and less cold, generally, in the winter, those from colder climates like to gravitate there, but despite the tv and other media reports, Croatia is still behind Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Cyprus, Grece, Turkey and even Malta, oh and Florida and the Caribean, in terms of buyers from the Uk and Ireland.

But you avoided my questions, what makes a person a Croat? I hope it isn't the nonsense idea that being born of parents from a country makes you more of that country than one who is born there?

What makes a Croat? I think anyone who watched the 100 day Big Brother in Croatia 2004 could see what makes a Croat. A new country. Pulling together. Quite rare really. Not a great deal of inter-personal conflict. Everyone for the one. Pretty good really. How long will it last. The young Croats ache for the west. Their mothers and fathers talk bull about Croatia, which they really knew as Yugoslavia. That great powerhouse of Tito, that was so strong between east and west, back in the old days. Highly confused now, they have even blown up the great man's statue. I would suggest Croatia as it is now, if it chooses to stay that way, could well be a short run phenominon. And if it does chose to stay as it is...well, it will be nowhere, sadly. 4 million people in a changing world. They will be lost....again. Possibly lost forever. I hope that doesn't happen.

[FranchiseCroatia]

Daria said:

Culchie, i was born in Canada and live here so thats how i know good english

Ok let me clearify, I meant that we shouldnt sell EVERYTHING away....many think that ohh a foreigner is here and they want to buy my house so they must have money and ill sell it to them (this is my opinion) Know do we want all of Croatia to end up having 5% Croats and 95% Foreigners..no and thats what i meant. We should start paying more attention, if foreigners come in and take practically everything where will all the true croats go?

In any case, if you are living in Croatia, that makes you a foreigner as well. The mindset here is that everybody born outside Croatia is a foreigner, regardless of your parents being born in Croatia.

Whether a foreigner buys property in Croatia or not, who cares. Personally I think its a positive step, as long as they adhere to Croatian laws of which, unfortunately alot of Croatians don't. To think that Croatian heritage will be overtaken by foreigners is a joke. The heritage will stay as long as we Croatians want it to stay.

The largest problem in Croatia is their mentality. Unfortunately the majority of local Croatians mentality is from the stone ages full of self interest, jealousy, biased views and double standards which they apply to foreigners. This ultimately results in them shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to making forward progress which would benefit this country. It doesn't help when you have polititians and the media in Croatia that have their own self interest views to knock something that would benefit this country rather than do damage. By all accounts, they have done more damage and continue to do so such as joining the EU.