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Post by ambrose on Feb 26, 2006 20:37:34 GMT 1
"real" croats i guess you can say are the ones who live their, that have croatian in their blood, or live outside of croatia with it in their family and are very proud of croatia. My father is a Croat, My mother English, your attitude disgusts me and my family. My grandchild will be more Croatian than you will ever be. You appear to be a sell out, a stranger to this land and a foreigner in Canada, a hipocrite if ever I heard one.
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Post by Slatkica on Feb 26, 2006 22:09:08 GMT 1
"real" croats i guess you can say are the ones who live their, that have croatian in their blood, or live outside of croatia with it in their family and are very proud of croatia. My father is a Croat, My mother English, your attitude disgusts me and my family. My grandchild will be more Croatian than you will ever be. You appear to be a sell out, a stranger to this land and a foreigner in Canada, a hipocrite if ever I heard one. what exactly are you upset about? What did Daria say wrong?
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Post by Ribaric on Feb 26, 2006 23:11:49 GMT 1
I don't understand this Ambrose? If Daria said something you find offensive I would like to understand what it was.
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Post by daria14 on Feb 26, 2006 23:45:22 GMT 1
i would like to understand too...
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Post by irac on Feb 27, 2006 7:28:31 GMT 1
Ambrose, while Daria has put up some rather mixed up rhetoric before, she actually put forward a very good thesis (maybe she learned from her mistakes...). To be Croatian one must live here, which means she has come around to a modern and realistic view on things, that many people have settled here over the past few millenia and if they're here living, they're part of the furniture, so to speak. What she said is fairly inclusive (which is a great departure from before), meaning that those born here (let's not haggle over boundaries which always do change) or with blood from here can call themselves of Croatian heritage.
Brilliantly she has included everyone in her statement and bravo, it's a major development for the mindset of most diaspora to accept that those not born here have a right (when living, working etc) to be tagged as Croatian. Ambrose, her statement was very good insofar as it doesn't delve into the ridiculous religious or ethnic nonsense, it is all inclusive. Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Jewish, Muslim, if you're born or have blood from here, you're Croatian - as it always has been, from the days (18th century) when refugees from other lands were proud to call themselves Croatian citizens.
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Post by lojalnost on Feb 27, 2006 8:33:55 GMT 1
Daria I think it would be impossible to implement a policy of house purchase in Croatia based on whether someone is a "foreigner" or a "real croat from the suburbs". The world is more complicated, and such a policy would send Croatia back in time. Such a policy gets people talking in a "Bean language".
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Post by Ribaric on Feb 27, 2006 11:31:50 GMT 1
Daria apart, do you feel there is a general migration of the diaspora outlook to this acceptance? My experience is that local Croatians (on the face of it) are more relaxed about the likes of you and I being here than those I've met (only three, I have to admit) in the American diaspora.
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Post by daria14 on Feb 27, 2006 23:44:32 GMT 1
first off i would like to thank irac for finally not blasting me, but agreeing with me? Secondly lojalnost, have you read the first couple of posts in this thread?? because im not talking about "implementing a policy of house purchase in Croatia based on whether someone is a foreigner or a real croat from the suburbs." I'm talking about the large amount of "foreigners" purchasing land in croatia!
So know youre information before speaking!
thank you:P
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Post by Ribaric on Feb 28, 2006 0:24:25 GMT 1
If I take the USA as a comparator, there are hoards of North-East coasters and Brits buying land in Florida and parts of Georgia, just like a lot of Canadians (foreigners?) are buying places in Arizona. They live further away from there than do any Europeans from Croatia. It depends somewhat on your view of what is a foreigner. I'm a European in outlook so, to me, buying here is little different from accepted practice in continental North America. The driving forces are the same, cheap land and a better climate. I do accept however there is a serious downside, namely, land values and the inability for many locals to afford them. That applies to people in all desirable locations such as Spain, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Wales (heaven knows why!). Bulgaria etc. Who can afford to buy a place in coastal California? My point is that I see little difference between North America, where buying distant property is accepted, and Europe, where it is argued it should be restricted.
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Post by lojalnost on Feb 28, 2006 20:39:06 GMT 1
I'm talking about the large amount of "foreigners" purchasing land in croatia! So know youre information before speaking! thank you:P So what percentage of land on the coast is owned by foreigners on the coast? I'm trying hard to find your argument but to me the more foreigners that want to buy land in Croatia the more prices go up and the wealthier Croatia becomes. Why should one Croatian sell off their land cheaply to another Croatian when they can make a profit from a foreigner? Croatia should be a rich country not a poor one. It's not just for holidays! Go back and live there and do something yourself if you are so proud.
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Post by daria14 on Feb 28, 2006 22:18:13 GMT 1
for your information i am doing alot...yes i understand croatia needs to be a rich country, but i hope one day croatia doesnt have any more croatians, then you will see my point. IT WONT BE CROATIA ANYMORE! p.s i really dont want that to happen, but if it needs to happen to show my point then so be it!
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Post by lojalnost on Feb 28, 2006 23:40:44 GMT 1
Surely as long as there is a Croatia, there will be Croatians (and stop sticking your tounge out at me!)
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Post by daria14 on Mar 1, 2006 0:16:15 GMT 1
lol its a happy face...im not sticking my tongue out at you! <--happy
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Post by lojalnost on Mar 1, 2006 0:32:15 GMT 1
[glow=red,2,300] [/glow] wow!
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Post by daria14 on Mar 1, 2006 3:31:18 GMT 1
wow! what?
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