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Post by gmh on Nov 20, 2005 12:08:47 GMT 1
Gav, I take you to those places but I cant as your Croatian is so bad! If you could speak better we could go to some real croatian places, but your English accent would get us in trouble! Tell you what, I'll go to the bar at crnomeric by myself when I get back from australia and take the risk with my bad croatian. Sounds like an interesting experiment of attitude against nationality. What time do you think is the best for this to be most effective ? I'll even take picture of me and the friends I make. I'm practicaly a super hero, so I think I'll be ok. I realy should take some lessons though. It's got to the point where I really can understand alot, and with thought I can even say and write sentences, all be it with bad grammar. Just a lesson plan that I can follow at home would be good.
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Post by irac on Nov 20, 2005 12:51:34 GMT 1
"And the tap water in my neck of the woods is top class"
This is exactly what I said, generalisation? Hmm, no, it's the water I drink and it's good, apology accepted in advance. The cheese, seems you have travelled every back road, nook and cranny in teh coast's hinterland and found no cows that are milk producing. next time you're down that way we'll have someone show you some milk cows, and you can have some goat's cheese. Just because one man sold cheese from Bosnia, therefore all cheese along the coast is Bosnian? Smacks of a little Nelson there born in a stable and all that.
Meant to say about the football, you know it's not true to say if they're good enough they'll make it. World class is a perception. David Beckham is trying to step up to that level by going to a better league, he's put in his time but he's world class by Pepsi's standards. I saw the contract handed to Nawaf AL Temyat by Real Madrid, his uncle/agent, who arranged his trial there wanted himt o go, but if he went he'd never come back. The only Saudi allowed out was allowed for a limited time to go to England, so you're wrong by saying if they're good enough they'll make it. It's all about breaks and good promotion.
Haven't been to Skradin since July, thank heavens, it's a nice place but too overdone and way too much ott nationalism.
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Post by davidzg on Nov 20, 2005 13:05:23 GMT 1
"And the tap water in my neck of the woods is top class" This is exactly what I said, generalisation? Hmm, no, it's the water I drink and it's good, apology accepted in advance. The cheese, seems you have travelled every back road, nook and cranny in teh coast's hinterland and found no cows that are milk producing. next time you're down that way we'll have someone show you some milk cows, and you can have some goat's cheese. Just because one man sold cheese from Bosnia, therefore all cheese along the coast is Bosnian? Smacks of a little Nelson there born in a stable and all that. Meant to say about the football, you know it's not true to say if they're good enough they'll make it. World class is a perception. David Beckham is trying to step up to that level by going to a better league, he's put in his time but he's world class by Pepsi's standards. I saw the contract handed to Nawaf AL Temyat by Real Madrid, his uncle/agent, who arranged his trial there wanted himt o go, but if he went he'd never come back. The only Saudi allowed out was allowed for a limited time to go to England, so you're wrong by saying if they're good enough they'll make it. It's all about breaks and good promotion. Haven't been to Skradin since July, thank heavens, it's a nice place but too overdone and way too much ott nationalism. Apology for what, for you being an arrogant person? I think not. beckham has been one of Real Madrid's best players this season, so your point is lost. The Suadi player Al Jaber (sp) was Saudi's best player of all time, 50 times better than any Saudi, he couldn't make the Wolves reserve team, nuff said. The vast majority of the cheese on the old coast road, comes from bosnia=fact. Don't tell the tourists. What do you mean by OTT nationalism in Skradin, I have never had any problems there.
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Post by irac on Nov 20, 2005 16:45:28 GMT 1
don't worry, the apology you wrote into your little comment, but that's cool, I stayed within my boundary and it doesn't matter that you were wrong, we're all fallible. Your cheese statement is getting more silly, now it's the old coast road, previously the coast, so are there cows within 100kms of the coast? Hmm, ah well, next time you're down let us know and you can even take part in some agro-tourism, you're world will be awoken.
Sami is a SAUDI, he was a decent player in the league and through an attempt to BUY the Midlands club his owners decided to check out the sit. He was sent mainly to train with the club, which he did, and his wages were still paid by his old club. The best young players in Saudi were sent to Italy to train, also Spain, but it remains a valid point, world class is in the eye of the promoter. Poor old Becks is doing his best, but he remains style over substance, but he earns well so he's doing well.
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Post by irac on Nov 20, 2005 17:05:38 GMT 1
Onto more appropriate matters. As well as the lovely water in my area (which is an undoubted good side) I would respectfully like to add the mountains. This past summer we climbed Dinara and Promena (easy peasey) and it was wonderful. Not quite the Cooley's or Dub-Wick's, but a really good side of the country.
Another good that is always evident, is in Zagreb. Finding myself a little lost, every time, especially sitting at lights, winding down the window and asking, in Croatian, for a street, the answer comes back in English. On experience I found the people a lot more friendly than grumpy-ville (aka Split) but that's just experience.
Sorry Gav, no more getting others out of their grooves, only positive vibes from now (still no news here!!!)
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Post by irac on Nov 20, 2005 17:07:16 GMT 1
oh, Sami wasn't the best Saudi of any time, Saeed (mine's a large one) Al Owairan holds that with another AL Hilal player I cannot think of right now. Just came to me, sorry.
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Post by croam on Nov 20, 2005 19:34:55 GMT 1
guess who's back?
IRAC: i get offended when croatians reply to me in english which they do sometimes because of my accent(if i'm not out with local friends).
maybe i shouldn't take it as an insult.
i noticed especially at bars and restaurants during tourist season. my croatian isn't bad at all. obviously i will always have an accent.
am i taking this the wrong way?
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Post by irac on Nov 21, 2005 14:41:07 GMT 1
Funny, I remember the person who tok ove your id (allegedly) calling others smelly (not me I must add, I think) and claiming to be friends with a certain footballer. Hmm, now he's back too. Well, I guess being unable to lie straight in bed is a difficulty, only ever seeing cheese for sale on the coast road must mean driving with closed eyes the whole way through the hinterland, hey, I just thought of Kit there Still, being wrong about no cows near the coast, being rude for no reason about the correctness of others statements, hey, we're all fallible, and there's no way to say how great one player is over another (though some are tragically weak), it's like wwe always used to enjoy on roadtrips, comparing the Irish boxing greats, eventually getting onto best fighter ever. For what it's worth I'd say Nash and Robinson, but Hank Armstrong must challenge the latter. enough of the insults, write some good stuff again, you've been wandering in the desert of your mind and need to step back with some decent material. Croam, I never took it as an insult, just a nice polite, educated response. When you're in the middle of Damascus rush hour, trying to find the road to Aleppo, you'd give your right arm, almost literally, for someone with a bit of cop on to realise their heavy accent is too much for your Jedi lingo. It's one thing, as well as the buildings down town, that I like about Zagreb. Oh, another thing that just passed through my frozen mind, the fortress of Knin until you get to the entry gate, such an amazing place, ruined by the lack of cop on by a defrocked priest and his own little barony. A disgrace and a fob to HDZ.
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Post by gmh on Nov 21, 2005 14:54:47 GMT 1
I'll try fit this in topic. A good thing about zagreb is that today I was looking for a book to read on the plane, and came across a book called the 'top ten of everything' 2004. I didn't buy it, but I did browse and in the list of top ten scoring international football players there was an Iranian, an egyptian, a saudi, and a player from kuwait . At number one was that hungarian fellow that I can't remember the name of. In the top ten list for countries that have reached the final rounds of the world cup it listed yugoslavia at number 10.
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Post by irac on Nov 21, 2005 18:20:00 GMT 1
That sounds good Gav, I think Scotland must be in there too, I know they were always consistent in qualifying, then melting down once there.
Things like best or greatest are always subjective, and of course marketing firms dreams. Just a while ago there was an inaugural award given for World's Best young player, lo and behold the recipient (I think there might have been two) was Wayne Rooney. It transpired very soon after that nobdy knew how this award was tabulated, nobody was asked to vote or judge it (despite FIFA saying it was from usual sources). Bascially they needed to hand out a bauble and there you go. Sports, as arts, are subjective and part of the subjectivity comes down to nationalistic fervour. The unevolved will rant that Joyce is the greatest writer to put pen to paper, then you get criticised as being non-Irish when you say you find his prose awful, his anti-Irish attitude offensive and his treatment (of a better writer, Beckett) disgraceful. If people could just take their feet off the gas and just enjoy things, then it'd be better for all.
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Post by croam on Nov 21, 2005 18:45:13 GMT 1
"Croam, I never took it as an insult, just a nice polite, educated response. When you're in the middle of Damascus rush hour, trying to find the road to Aleppo, you'd give your right arm, almost literally, for someone with a bit of cop on to realise their heavy accent is too much for your Jedi lingo. It's one thing, as well as the buildings down town, that I like about Zagreb."
well im at the point where i'll just talk in english when i'm ordering at restaurants and stuff. if they want to reply in english when i asked in croatian and they knew what i meant then why should i speak in croatian? i take it as an insult.
now if i only spoke in english they would get angry. catch22 like alot of things.
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Post by pipastro on Nov 21, 2005 19:03:25 GMT 1
croam you old git. whats happened to you? where is the croam of old, the one with the blunt comments and a jovial attitude? i might as well pack up and go home, no fun here anymore
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Post by emizzzagreb on Nov 21, 2005 19:03:57 GMT 1
"Croam, I never took it as an insult, just a nice polite, educated response. When you're in the middle of Damascus rush hour, trying to find the road to Aleppo, you'd give your right arm, almost literally, for someone with a bit of cop on to realise their heavy accent is too much for your Jedi lingo. It's one thing, as well as the buildings down town, that I like about Zagreb." well im at the point where i'll just talk in english when i'm ordering at restaurants and stuff. if they want to reply in english when i asked in croatian and they knew what i meant then why should i speak in croatian? i take it as an insult. now if i only spoke in english they would get angry. catch22 like alot of things. 'tis the same in any country, if the person can speak a foreign languge, they wish to practice. Thus they enter the mindset "Engleski / Hrvatski" and if you interrupt the thinking by chucking in a croatian word when they are thinking English, it will not register. this is the same for any bilingual person. It is not ignorance, but a tribute to your waiter/ess for respecting your native language and a greater tribute to them...to speak it within their own country.
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Post by croam on Nov 21, 2005 19:14:14 GMT 1
if you are truly fully bilingual you can go back and forth instantly.
i think very few people are that bilingual in croatia or anywhere else. i was forced to use both languages from birth.
i only have problems with numbers that i memorize in english or croatian. then i have to do a bit of translating in my mind if i am thinking in english and memorized the phone number in croatian. but it still only takes a few seconds.
thats cool if they want to practice ill just speak english. but i want to practice too.
i think next time im talking english. then when they start talking about me in front of me i can respond in croatian just to see the look on their faces. it will be a fun game and my feelings won't get hurt.
i have also experienced outright getting made fun of if i mispronounce something. its never the case that they didn't understand me but more akin to the way immigrants sound speaking english. you know, its not grammatically perfect but i always know what is being said and would never insult someone because they didn't speak a second language perfectly.
like ordering "jednu vodku" instead of "jednu votku" cuz i was drunk and forgot...anways, the not a very nice person at the bar knew what i wanted but was telling me he didn't have it until i got it right. f**king not a very nice person.
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Post by pipastro on Nov 21, 2005 19:52:51 GMT 1
Oh my GOD!
Was that an anti-croatian comment?!
What is happening? This is not normal service anymore?
The reason he speaks in English is that he gets a free lesson from you and he also laughs at you behind your back - I told you before that they dont like you (and me for that matter) emigres.
I hope you didnt leave a tip!?
Next time instead of calling KONOBAR yell BOSANAC, dodi ovamo i donesi vodku!
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