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Post by glen on Nov 18, 2005 0:57:04 GMT 1
if your born into the wrong circumstances you can easily end up homeless
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 0:58:41 GMT 1
Hello everybody!, as I don't live in croatia I'm not really allowed an opinion! And as I know some Croatians who would like to rent out their very nice properties (subjective), I won't say anymore! ON SECOND THOUGHTS ;D, the reason I mentioned Croatia beating Germany 3-0 in 1998 was because this was a very joyous time. It was the first time a lot of the world had heard of Croatia. Croatians were celebrating in the streets. ~They took an established German team apart. Times were harder then and Croatia still had a ghostly feel about it. I enjoy being in Croatia much more now. So at number 104, I put the FUTURE! The future will be better. ~This is about the good side of Croatia, not living in Croatia~ You have to stick to the subject, otherwise you get marked down. Basic essay technique, is to answer the question. Good points gav. Your opinions are subjective, you make money from exaggerated Croatia's strengths. Also just because this site is full of people like you who make money from promoting Croatia, even if your pitch is whack, pseudo tree huggers like gavin and Croatians doesn't mean you're in the majority, the vast majority of foreigners I have ever met are not so impressed. What amazes me most is, most of the tourists that come to Croatia are working class people with limited income, yet so many villas are for sale for 500,000 euros. Good luck with that.
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 0:59:51 GMT 1
if your born into the wrong circumstances you can easily end up homeless How, explain to me how you can easily end up homeless? I could call the social services now they would have a temporary shelter for me in 2 hours, and an apartment for me within a week.
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 1:02:07 GMT 1
i can just say - the whole life is a subjective experience, so how could answers in this thread be anything but subjective. david, when you count things that you like/dislike, you think those are objective points, but it's all so subjective. i mean, those may be facts, but the mere fact that you notice exactly those facts and not some other (and of course, there are many other) reflects your subjectivity. i'm not sure i'm being clear. i'm trying to say we all look through our own glasses and everyone sees a different picture. i like croatia - but not for the buildings or even nature (which is certainly beautiful), not for the (let's suppose) good job i have..... all those things i could find elsewhere, even better than here (would be a bit difficult to compete with the nature, though). i like it for the people i know, for the familiarity i feel, because in zagreb every part of the town has some personal meaning to me in my own personal history. the size of the city is just about right for me and every now and then i can bump into someone i know, get surprised a little. but i also know i could easily live elsewhere because i depend on people, not on the country itself. it's all completely subjective. there's nothing objective i can say that is good about croatia or zagreb. something i might list as positive someone will perceive as negative or will compare it to some personal experience that beats this one. like when someone says the criminal rates are low - that's great for someone coming from new york (just an example), but there are places in the world where criminal rates are even lower. it all depends on people's previous personal experiences, what they compare life here to. and of course, it depends on their personal situations at the moment - they tend to colour the glasses one looks through. one may like it or dislike it; decide to adapt, accept things, or just keep being frustrated; move out or stay; try to change things or go with the flow.................. possibilities are many..... but the decision just like perception is always subjective. (and now don't anybody dare tell me i'm being cryptic ) Ok cryptic one, as far as you or I are concerned I do not believe we are subjective, because we have no agenda, it doesn't matter to me if people like or dislike Croatia, we just say what we see and experience, whereas estate agents and travel agents make money by promoting Croatia.
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Post by glen on Nov 18, 2005 1:04:35 GMT 1
Most people who end up homeless come from "broken homes" in the first place, its a vicious circle, there are other factors involved
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Post by glen on Nov 18, 2005 1:06:36 GMT 1
...David I don't understand, do you want Croatia to be the only country in the world which doesn't promote itself. Croatia isn't Japan!
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 1:11:05 GMT 1
Most people who end up homeless come from "broken homes" in the first place, its a vicious circle, there are other factors involved Ok, but even though it is sad, these children chose to leave the system if they go to the authorities they will not finish on the streets, you know that and I know that. I can't see any way to stop people who chose to be on the streets.
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 1:13:15 GMT 1
...David I don't understand, do you want Croatia to be the only country in the world which doesn't promote itself. Croatia isn't Japan! I am all for promotion, give me your best sales pitch, but don't tell me it is your personal opinion. Also and this is not aimed at you, don't sell with b.s, the outright lies I have read on this site to promote Croatia are exactly what will hold Croatia back. I don't think promoting Croatia's coast is very complicated, I would find it easy to promote with the truth.
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Post by glen on Nov 18, 2005 1:24:34 GMT 1
Most people who end up homeless come from "broken homes" in the first place, its a vicious circle, there are other factors involved Ok, but even though it is sad, these children chose to leave the system if they go to the authorities they will not finish on the streets, you know that and I know that. I can't see any way to stop people who chose to be on the streets. They probably came from the "authorities" in the first place, they feel that society has failed them. Nobody chooses to sleep on a cold pavement at night in January.
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Post by glen on Nov 18, 2005 1:26:01 GMT 1
...David I don't understand, do you want Croatia to be the only country in the world which doesn't promote itself. Croatia isn't Japan! I am all for promotion, give me your best sales pitch, but don't tell me it is your personal opinion. Also and this is not aimed at you, don't sell with b.s, the outright lies I have read on this site to promote Croatia are exactly what will hold Croatia back. I don't think promoting Croatia's coast is very complicated, I would find it easy to promote with the truth. Can you be more specific please, what outright lies?
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 1:26:46 GMT 1
Ok, but even though it is sad, these children chose to leave the system if they go to the authorities they will not finish on the streets, you know that and I know that. I can't see any way to stop people who chose to be on the streets. They probably came from the "authorities" in the first place, they feel that society has failed them. Nobody chooses to sleep on a cold pavement at night in January. Glen, how can I take you seriously? You're saying something you know isn't true. It is sad that people feel that is their only option, but no child in this country sleeps on the streets because the system rejected them, that stands for adults too.
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Post by glen on Nov 18, 2005 1:32:14 GMT 1
They probably came from the "authorities" in the first place, they feel that society has failed them. Nobody chooses to sleep on a cold pavement at night in January. Glen, how can I take you seriously? You're saying something you know isn't true. It is sad that people feel that is their only option, but no child in this country sleeps on the streets because the system rejected them, that stands for adults too. I take it now that you are talking about Croatia, and I accept that their is no system in place. Even if there was I suspect that you would still get homeless people on the streets.
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 1:35:45 GMT 1
I am all for promotion, give me your best sales pitch, but don't tell me it is your personal opinion. Also and this is not aimed at you, don't sell with b.s, the outright lies I have read on this site to promote Croatia are exactly what will hold Croatia back. I don't think promoting Croatia's coast is very complicated, I would find it easy to promote with the truth. Can you be more specific please, what outright lies? People lying about prices is restaurants, tolls, hotels, rooms, hire cars, shops. People lying about the climate. People pretending services are like in USA. People lying about paperwork, people lying about not needing to bribe people, or pretending it is rare. People saying all Croats love foreigners and are friendly and warm to foreigners. People lying about how many properties are owned by every man and his dog, people denying that few people have any idea how much they should charge for a property so the owner invents so astronomical figure, a number plucked from the air and aimed to price out locals. People saying there is a lot to do. There are many more. I was always a very trusting person, I had no reason not to be, but you cannot afford to be trusting in Croatia, you will be cheated. I have a friend who came to Croatia from the middle east, he worked for CNN on a 6 month project to promote Croatia, I helped him with his project. He was having so many problems because he could never get the truth from anybody. So we ignored what the locals said and judged for ourself we found it easy, we were also amazed how much b.s was out there.
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Post by davidzg on Nov 18, 2005 1:39:48 GMT 1
Let me just add before I go to bed, there are things I like about Croatia, it is a good place to relax if you don't work there.
Everybody seemed desperate to paint me as anti everything Croatian, so I assumed the role, it makes my time on here more enjoyable.
However I hate reading BS, I am tired of lies and nonsense.
I stand by what I said, only Croam made a decent effort of promoting Croatia in this thread.
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Post by glen on Nov 18, 2005 2:05:42 GMT 1
Everybody seemed desperate to paint me as anti everything Croatian, so I assumed the role, it makes my time on here more enjoyable. Is this david admitting defeat!
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