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Post by 3lions on Apr 28, 2008 5:14:23 GMT 1
Croatia, oh Croatia, when will you be free?
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Post by valiant on Apr 28, 2008 8:59:10 GMT 1
what freaks me out, is that croats grow up and leave school and if they get work they automatically believe that they have to get an apartment and nothing else. what about building a house??? (ok the paperwork may be an impossible task but if more people put pressure on opcine to cut the corrupt= beurocracy)theres even some ad on tv which proves my point. its like you have to buy an apartment and you have no other option, its unquestioned at all. it really freaks me out. you can build a smaller house a little furthe away from the center of town for the same price of an apartment, and you have a garden, which could be pretty large, and kids can play etc...there even are finished older houses, for the same price as apartments. Just the whole idea of living in an apartment with no land, with neighbours glued to your wall, being dependant on some job where you wotk for some kreten so that you can pay off the apartment for the rest of your life...its just mind boggling. at least with a house, you arent pigeon holed, your kids can play, you can grow some fruit n veg, you can have a garage etc...whts so cool about having an apartment?
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Post by justapixel on Apr 28, 2008 9:14:08 GMT 1
For starters, apartments are cheaper. You can't build a 40m2 house, but you can buy a 40m2 apartment, and most people here can't afford something much bigger than that. The other thing is position - in Zagreb all good plots of land are taken and you can build house only very far from center which is not a very good option considering the quality of public transportation. Of course, if you have $1m or more, you can buy a house at a good position within city boundaries. Yeah, I'm a Croatian buying an apartment. ;D .
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Post by valiant on Apr 28, 2008 9:20:16 GMT 1
i would rather buy an older house with a large plot of land, a little out of the city. thats just my oppinion. i know around slavonski brod, there are these hil side little villages very close to town (about 10 mins by car) , they are absolutely beautiful for the family and kids, and people are still buying up apartments in the middle of town.
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Post by justapixel on Apr 28, 2008 9:35:11 GMT 1
i would rather buy an older house with a large plot of land, a little out of the city. thats just my oppinion. i know around slavonski brod, there are these hil side little villages very close to town (about 10 mins by car) , they are absolutely beautiful for the family and kids, and people are still buying up apartments in the middle of town. That's Slavonski Brod - around Split, Zagreb or Rijeka it's a different story. Around Zagreb you can buy a large plot of land and build a house for €100-200k, but you still face problems of commuting, lack of transportation, infrastructure, schools, kindergartens. .
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Post by valiant on Apr 28, 2008 9:57:00 GMT 1
i was using s brod as an example, i rekon it is still to be discovered by other croats and things here are really progressing rapidly, especially over the past year or so. there really are great places to live here, youd be surprised. im sure you can find cheaper housing not far from zagreb. why be a consumer pigeon in a breeding box?
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Post by justapixel on Apr 28, 2008 10:08:11 GMT 1
i was using s brod as an example, i rekon it is still to be discovered by other croats and things here are really progressing rapidly, especially over the past year or so. there really are great places to live here, youd be surprised. Slavonija scares the hell out of me. But Brod is a little different, at least it has hillside. im sure you can find cheaper housing not far from zagreb. why be a consumer pigeon in a breeding box? Which part of " problems of commuting, lack of transportation, infrastructure, schools, kindergartens" did you not understand? Anyways, there exists cheaper housing near Zagreb, but again it's in the apartments which are still relatively cheap in Dugo Selo, Zapresic or Ivanic Grad. To each his own... .
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Post by valiant on Apr 28, 2008 10:26:26 GMT 1
im a dalmatian, and im not going to run around showing off about it cos ive lived there. and i was a bit iffy about slavonia too.i actually went to the papuk mountain range yesterday with my wife and kids, i was absoultely amazed at the beauty, landscape, scenery, the fertile land, the history from prehistoric, through roman times, restaurants are cheap as, romans loved the area, unlike todays "cool" coastal slav/dalmatians, it is absolutely amazing, !!! but slavonski brod to me was a great surprise. it really is like another country, where there is order, people are genraly polite and friendly. when i come to slavonski brod, its like ive gone to a civilzed country(compared to dalmatia anyway) . and yeah, there are schools and public transport all close to more rural areas. i understand you pixel, i know split and brod like the back of my hand. you can buy houses behind the mosor, from zrnovnica all the way to omis for the same price as an apartment in town, and yeah , these places have schools and kindergadens and busses if you have to use them. same apllies to slavonski brod: igrac and tomica are like picturesque hill side villages, with little valleys, water springs, nearby schools, kindergardens, busses...and all 10 minutes max from town. i know...the word SLAV-.onski scares many, but if this were a part of the UK for example, this part of the country would be feeding the entire population, and people here would be very very well off. anyway..like ive said...slavonski brod has changed alot in the last year or so, alot of development going on and jobs created. but still, it wont stop many from being"cool" and moving to some pigeon box in zagreb. i actually know of people who have moved to zagreb and want to move back to slavonski brod, believe it or not. and i hope youre not implying that slavonia is flat"ravnica" that is total crap(which other croats, especially dalmatians, tie in with the charachter of the people here as being flat/boring. yeah and dalmatians are cool, they are "temperamentni" my a... dalmatia to me is siberians that came to live on the coast). ,in slavonia there are hills all over the place. you should visit australia...i suppose croats would call australia slavonia number 2, cos its flatter than any thing to be seen or imagined in slavonia.
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Post by justapixel on Apr 28, 2008 10:55:58 GMT 1
What do you think, why do people move to Zagreb? For starters, I grew up in a house with a large flowery garden 20m from sea at probably the best location in Zadar, and now I'm struggling to buy an apartment at exorbitant prices in cold, gloomy, overcrowded Zagreb. How come I'm not buying a house in Slavonski Brod?
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Post by valiant on Apr 28, 2008 11:06:42 GMT 1
whats wrong with some outer area of zagreb??? with a good road connection??? why fall for the whole building mafia hype and buy an aparment? alright maybe youre going to work in zagreb, close to the center, but what when you get married and have kids? you wont even have anywhere to park your car/cars. dont know...maybe youre thinking of selling the apartment for a profit later? moving back to zadar ? dont know. im not telling you to move to slavonski brod,(im moving back to dalmatia soon and im affraid of moving back there) im just explaining the mentality of many realestate buyers in cro. and alot of it has been generated by the building mafia and their opcina friends who dont give permits, which means you cant connect to infrastructure if youre building a home yourself. it is evil.
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Post by justapixel on Apr 28, 2008 11:24:48 GMT 1
whats wrong with some outer area of zagreb??? with a good road connection??? why fall for the whole building mafia hype and buy an aparment? alright maybe youre going to work in zagreb, close to the center, but what when you get married and have kids? you wont even have anywhere to park your car/cars. dont know...maybe youre thinking of selling the apartment for a profit later? moving back to zadar ? dont know. Define "outer area" of Zagreb, and quantify "good road connection" using commuter-hours/week, then I might understand what you're talking about. Of course I work in Zagreb, of course most jobs are close to the center. I do have a kid and of course I'm buying an apartment with a garage in a suburb sporting ample parking space (I know, I lived there). And of course I'm buying the apartment for living, not for profit. The only profit I'm expecting is (very) long-term profit of not having to pay rent. im not telling you to move to slavonski brod,(im moving back to dalmatia soon and im affraid of moving back there) im just explaining the mentality of many realestate buyers in cro. and alot of it has been generated by the building mafia and their opcina friends who dont give permits, which means you cant connect to infrastructure if youre building a home yourself. it is evil. That's another side of the coin. Reasons for the housing problems are numerous: there's corruption you've mentioned, there's lack of regulations, there's centralization of the whole country (Zagreb) or a region (Split), there's lack of jobs in most areas, there's lack of infrastructure... but what it all boils down to is that in many situations buying an apartment is a more optimal option, and that is reflected by the housing market. Some people blame it all on the mentality of people in a society where 90% of population own their own property, so renting a home is considered a second grade option for the social bottom. But my experiences tell me that the main reason no one is happy with renting a home is that then you're made a second grade citizen by lack of regulations - basically, when you're renting a home here, you don't have a location, legal status, rights... you don't exist. .
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Post by gmh on Apr 28, 2008 11:48:28 GMT 1
I've been considering the outskirts of velika gorica as a future option for house and garden and more importanly, a big shed. Thankfully though I don't have a job I need to commute to town for every day. I must say though, living within walking distance of the center of town is great. I hardly ever have to use my car and I have a garden that none of the other 3 tenants use + there's a big forest 200m down the street. It's not just Croatians who live in apartments Valiant, the whole of europe does. Jobs are in the city, people live close to the city because who wants to spend 30-60 minutes driving to work every day ? Only Australians and Americans as far as I know.
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Post by capio on Apr 28, 2008 11:55:58 GMT 1
I've been considering the outskirts of velika gorica as a future option for house and garden and more importanly, a big shed. Thankfully though I don't have a job I need to commute to town for every day. I must say though, living within walking distance of the center of town is great. I hardly ever have to use my car and I have a garden that none of the other 3 tenants use + there's a big forest 200m down the street. It's not just Croatians who live in apartments Valiant, the whole of europe does. Jobs are in the city, people live close to the city because who wants to spend 30-60 minutes driving to work every day ? Only Australians and Americans as far as I know. We prefer houses in England.
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Post by justapixel on Apr 28, 2008 11:59:16 GMT 1
We prefer houses in England. How long/how far do you commute to work? .
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Post by capio on Apr 28, 2008 12:00:22 GMT 1
10-15 mins. 5 miles or so... but I do travel a lot and only go to the office when I feel like it, I work from home a lot.
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