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Post by poiter on Jul 15, 2010 14:39:42 GMT 1
the signatures on that petition are getting checked out by the MUP to see if they are genuine. and 100 peaceful protesters arrested by cops in zagreb for oppising a bhuilding project in a city square. all i can say is that TITO has left his mark on these poloiticians. big time. all dictator wanna bes. when i heard about the mup checking out the signuatres...its beyond all limits now....truly amazing. its political terrorism of the people who are excercising their democratic right. truly amazing. i hope its kosors final straw...cos shes overboard totaly.
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Post by delta on Jul 15, 2010 14:54:55 GMT 1
Similar to the above, is why one has to have an accountant in Croatia for book keeping? Most countries allow you to do your own books or hire an accountant at your choosing, or better yet do your tax return on-line, but not in Croatia. It just doesn’t make sense to complicate things, unless it's done on purpose...., and that I believe is the case. As far as I know, you don't need an accountant, you can do your books by yourself.
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Post by ivetron on Jul 15, 2010 17:06:16 GMT 1
What about simply buying a flat for a vacation home? It's something been considering for awhile, hoping the prices come down. Do you think owning is also a massive headache even if you are not starting a business or hoping to rent it out? I've done the research on the buying part and I can get thru that, I am just talking about simply living there, taxes, dealing with day to day stuff.
Also, have you noticed prices dropping at all or are sellers becoming more realistic to the global real estate meltdown? Or are they still expecting to get too much from the Russion millionaires?
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Post by pink on Jul 18, 2010 11:33:01 GMT 1
Delta says we can do the accounting ourselves - not so - we've been told we definitely need to employ an Accountant - which will cost us at least E 150 per month ++......
another case of Croatians can't, you cannot!
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Post by pink on Jul 18, 2010 11:34:07 GMT 1
Sorry - typo - I meant to say Croatians Can, You CANNOT!
(I think you all knew this anyway!)
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Post by delta on Jul 18, 2010 12:14:32 GMT 1
Delta says we can do the accounting ourselves - not so - we've been told we definitely need to employ an Accountant - which will cost us at least E 150 per month ++...... another case of Croatians can't, you cannot! Can you link the law or regulation that requires you to go throu accountant?
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Post by crojoe on Jul 18, 2010 13:44:06 GMT 1
I have come to realize how much Croatia has and will continue to be a "police state" in its own right. It is not democratic as defined by most people (people can't even protest in peace, or collect signatures to change legislation without governmental interference), nor can you run a business without fear of the finance police (even when you "think" your doing everything by the book). There is quite a bit of fear of the unknown, simply because most people don't know how to interpret laws, don't keep up with changes in the law, and hear a lot of true scary stories of visitations who view each visit as a crime scene. This unknown feeling is experienced by a lot of Croatians and foreigners alike. It is possible for one to do their own book keeping, but seeing that the procedure and laws are so complicated, plus change year on year, no normal person can figure it out. My accountant has to live and breathe accounting, read weekly updates, know about changes in the law, just so she can figure it all out.
It is often said that change is good for a person, but too much change can be bad, especially for business. Any business environment needs to be stable, with clear defined rules and regulations, not continued changes to procedures, laws and so forth to confuse the masses.
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Post by delta on Jul 18, 2010 16:28:03 GMT 1
Question: how fluent are you people in Croatian? Cause if you are not, it's understandable you are easily confused.
Also, regarding accountants: there are cheap accounting software packages on the market that can make book keeping easier. And if you purchase support and upgrade option, they will keep you in accordance to regulation changes. Ofc, they are all in Croatian.
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Post by poiter on Jul 18, 2010 17:31:04 GMT 1
delta you sound alot like my croatian cousins during their final year at croatian university. Its all fine if youre born here, have some old commy family connections and can get a job working for some sherriff...but opening a business in croatia is not easy...its very difficult and its a trap to give the govt alot and the investor nothing. rules, regulations and laws are all over the place. You need a well connected acvcountant to give you a sense of security and peace of mind. croatia is a corrupt police state...very complicated...and even local people ...every day people are very jelous of everything from image to the car someone drives to the girlfriend, the connections etc... its a big mess.
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Post by poiter on Jul 18, 2010 17:43:04 GMT 1
delta...if we are easily confused and have all the pooh hit the fan in croatia...cos were "confused" and illiterate... then what kind of miracles are occuring in australia...? where not only illiterate but highly uneducated croatian immigrants often not only succeeded in the work place...but many went on to become successful and wealthy business people. In australia you open a firm over the telephone...you visit the accountant when you do your tax return. you collectt your receipts...theres no R1 or R2 reciepts to collect...theres no fear of applying for a tax return...your signature means everything...theres no stamps or voodoo wax stamps...and i dont think i have every seen a cafe thats been shut down by some financial police in australia....had ist terraces taped up in official gestapo tape...and wax stamps with string things on all doors... like its a crime scene or something. hahaha. luda kuca.
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Post by delta on Jul 18, 2010 20:52:30 GMT 1
Australia is a better place for business, no doubt about that. Probably it will always be.
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Post by poiter on Jul 18, 2010 21:47:37 GMT 1
the way many of us see it...croatia cannot attract investors...and we can all see that croatias rules, regulations and beauricracy dont work... so why dont croatias politicians just copy rules and regulations from Australia...a coutnry thats booming at the moment why dont they do that instead of loaning painful amounts of money ? why? what is sooo difficult about that? its the mentality isnt it? control, dictator, gestapo, commy vibes. Like trying to get a horse to do jumping jacks.
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Post by pips on Jul 18, 2010 22:27:04 GMT 1
Will this change when CRo joins EU? when do you think this will happen?
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Post by crojoe on Jul 18, 2010 22:58:14 GMT 1
poiter... while Aussie is a great place, Croatia does not need to look so far to find working solutions, but its all down to pride. The national anthem at Parliament is Andy Williams’s song... "I did it my way"!
The fact is it's a young country in respect to independence from Former-Yugo, a lot of blood was spilt for pride & country. Certain individuals in power only know one way to operate.
While businesses strive to teamwork, network and get customers, good old politics (although similar in nature) aren’t as successful. It's more about jostling for position, personal success and prosperity, not the customer (voter).
I think a lot of Scandinavian countries have got their acts together, and their governments seem to have a more understanding for their people.
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Post by crojoe on Jul 18, 2010 23:20:56 GMT 1
pips, once Croatia becomes a full fledged EU member state, then most laws will have to line up to accommodate EU law, and in principle any law that applies to a Croatian would also apply to a EU person. For example, once a Croatian can travel freely in the EU, work, setup business, stay indefinitely, the same would apply to any EU person coming to Croatia.
As you probably know, other then the point of borders with Slovenia, the other sticking points in Croatia’s acceptance to the EU is its judicial laws and corruption. In other words, many laws are so complex or "grey" that it either gives no room for appeal, or it allows too much room for abuse. The other point is open market policies. Although I think Croatian companies should benefit, it's not all that wise to give certain companies the monopoly, as simply put they abuse that power & charge what they like (as is so often the case with prices in stores today). Politicians might become a bit more accountable for their actions and have outside scrutiny, which would suit the situation just fine right now.
The downside of joining the EU is loss of national identity over time & more EU domination meddling in the countries affairs. Personally, I think Croatia will benefit from joining the EU, but at present it will have to pay a high price for dragging its feet for so long. Some say prices will go up, but at present I'd say Croatia is already priced itself high.
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