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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 7, 2005 1:56:58 GMT 1
...well that says it all doesn't it, what brilliant influences these are, they own half of Croatia don't they, what price independence a land full of Germans again. Is that what Gotovina put his life on the line for? The Vatican that's hilarious. Oh and Scotland can detach itself from England and disappear off into the North Sea as far as most Englishmen are concerned. What a load of Rubbish. U2 make me laugh you wouldn't get on Croatian Television your too funny! Emiz, I see you are back to your old tricks again. Obviously you have never read a history book in your life!
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 7, 2005 1:59:39 GMT 1
some people are trying to turn this into a Catholic cause leave it alone blah blah balh Where does anyone anywhere say anything about this being a Catholic cause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are a !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by EMIZZZZAGREB on Jan 7, 2005 2:03:26 GMT 1
Didn't somebody say that all ip's are open? I did not write that, actually this topic does not interest me.
u2 you're an abusive silly child and I think this forum would be better with you.
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 7, 2005 2:04:44 GMT 1
again, like a puppy.........
following me around...........
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Post by the enforcer on Jan 7, 2005 3:34:30 GMT 1
to both EMIZ and LoveU2 stick to the topic rather than your silly tit for tats, you must be in love with each other, why don't you marry, then you can torture each other for the rest of your lives?
I did not say that this was a Catholic cause, but that some people are trying to turn it into that...LoveU2 you are not worthy of me...what experience have you got of the war....have you carried you mother on your back when the Yugoslav airforce has flown overhead?
Are you a Bosnian muslim who has been thrown off the roof by the Serbs one month, and then the next month beaten up by the Croats?
Gotovina was the man chosen for a nasty job... it is too late to change back the clocks of time...if this is really disrupting Croatia's choice of entry into the EU, then personnally I think that it is a shame
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Post by BuBa on Jan 7, 2005 5:47:44 GMT 1
It is a shame that England does not allow us into EU because of a gotovina......
Do you really think that they don't let us in EU because of one man.....Think.........Think.........Think. There is more to it than gotovina.
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 7, 2005 5:58:02 GMT 1
I did not say that this was a Catholic cause, but that some people are trying to turn it into that...LoveU2 you are not worthy of me... Who is trying to turn it into a Catholic cause??? I would like to know? Honey, you ain't worthy of me and I never said I wanted you. So I have no idea what the hell that line is suppose to mean, worthy of me. Very strange people on this post! and you know what YOU SHOULD STICK TO TOPIC! I am sorry that every board I go to EMIZ has to follow and make comments, I can't help I have a stalker!
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Post by Dublin John on Jan 7, 2005 12:11:11 GMT 1
Gotovina was the man chosen for a nasty job... Untrue. Gotovina was chosen to command an army to liberate territory previously seized by others. Nothing 'nasty' about that. Nasty things may have happened towards the end or after the operation but that doesn't neccessarily mean that they were pre-determined or even that commanders ordered or condoned any nasty actions. Nor is there any evidence to say this is the case. In Gotovina's case, all the evidence suggests the opposite. His military track record was impeccable, breaking Serb sieges and liberating territory with little or no violations. Nothing nasty there. What some people are trying to do now though is equate him to Radovan and Radic, who's track record WAS nasty: REPEATED ethnic cleansing of non-serb villages, massacre, rape and torture of innocent civilians, then chasing those who got away, cornering them into cities, starving them, raining shells and mortars on them, seperating the men from the women, executing the men and raping the women. So in Gotovina's case, there is no evidence to suggest he's guilty of anything other than having been a commander of an operation. With the mentioned Serbs, there IS evidence which confirms that all their operations were designed for the purpose of committing violations and crimes against humanity.
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Post by Guest on Jan 8, 2005 15:42:35 GMT 1
About war criminals: Some people act as though Croatia was simply an innocent country that was invaded by another country. They turn their war criminals into heroes, the "defenders of the homeland." These people conveniently forget that Croatia did not only fight a defensive war, but also an offensive one within their own borders, striking out against ordinary non-combatant Serbs living in Croatian towns.
From what I understand, some of the criminal activity is related to what ordinary people did in small towns against Serbs that were members of their community, such as what happened in Gospic.
About Gotovina: why don't Croats want people to be punished for their crimes? Why is it ok that others (non Croats or Croats with other ethnic backgrounds) be put on trial but not Croats? No one is suggesting all the fighters be put on trial. Just the ones that committed atrocities.
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Post by Hrvoje on Jan 9, 2005 0:46:19 GMT 1
Croatian general Gotovina has passed US Army and France legion of foreigners training, he is honorable soldier.
He has been accused for crimes that haven't been commited. The problem is that his troops were fighting Chetniks, terrorists paratroops which have been consisted of Serbs aged 15 to 70 years. Those paratroopers occupied territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina where muslims lived and parts of Croatia. After combined action of Croatian police and military , Chetniks were defeated and they fell back trough Bosnia and Herzegovinia trough parts where muslims lived, where no Croatian police or military unit was stationed. In those parts of BiH crimes may have been commited. In those crimes Croatian forces have not participated.
Therefore, I say that Gotovina has been accused for somebody else's crimes, without any evidence.
If you have more questions about this subject, please email me:
hculek@vip.hr
p.s. sorry for my bad english
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Post by Dublin John on Jan 9, 2005 1:00:53 GMT 1
About war criminals: Some people act as though Croatia was simply an innocent country that was invaded by another country. I know. Strange that. Maybe it's got something to do with that fact that it w TEXTas simply an innocent country invaded by another country. They turn their war criminals into heroes, the "defenders of the homeland." These people conveniently forget that Croatia did not only fight a defensive war, but also an offensive one within their own borders, striking out against ordinary non-combatant Serbs living in Croatian towns. If you're saying war crimes were committed against innocent civilian Serbs then that is true. If you're trying to equate it to the same or similar level as say crimes committed by Serbs against non-Serbs, then you are wrong. About Gotovina: why don't croats want people to be punished for their crimes? . You missed the word "innocent" before the word "people." Why is it ok that others (non Croats or Croats with other ethnic backgrounds) be put on trial but not Croats? No one is suggesting all the fighters be put on trial. Just the ones that committed atrocities. You're very mistaken. Croats have been put on trial. The problem is, many of them have been innocent, such as Blaskic, Kupresic case and Gotovina. Where the problem is, is that the Hague has been indicting a number of innocent Croats; and not indicting guilty Croats, i.e, the one's who actually committed, planned, etc., the crimes in question.
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Post by Hrvoje on Jan 9, 2005 15:49:09 GMT 1
It is interesting that great Britany reffers to us Croats as nazi nation. At the same time, in Serbia, partizans, fighters against nazi, and fascist Chetniks have equal rights. British government didn't comment that.
Serbs have dreamed Great serbia, they terroized us, slaughtered oru people, and finnaly got defeated by us, Croats, on the other side British have dreamed Great Britany and they have conquered other nations and terroized them. And then they lost war from Irish. From my point of view, Serbs and British are brothers in tirany.
p.s. There are evidences that British armed forces had participated in Patriotic war on the terrorist side, they fought for serbs.
As long as British people reffers to my nation as criminals, i will refer to British people as criminals, terrorist and opretioning nation, what they in fact are. Scotland and Wales should be free countries. Ireland to the Irish!
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Post by Englishman in Zagreb on Jan 9, 2005 17:14:11 GMT 1
Posted by: Hrvoje:
Za dom spremni!
Disgraceful, you have proven what a you are.
The Ustashe commited hideous crimes against humanity, and you support them? Forget the fact that you're Croatian, remember that you're a human being.
Disgusting.
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Post by Guest on Jan 9, 2005 21:49:57 GMT 1
Dublin, If you agree that the Croats committed crimes against innocent civilian Serbs, how does that make the Croats innocent?? Very illogical of you.
About the "innocent" war criminals, it was not until 2002 that Croatia extradicted it's "true" Croat criminals. Tihomir Blaskic and the Kupreskic brothers were Croats from Bosnia. Rahim Ademi was of Albanian descent. But Gotovina: "true" Croat. And the people went nuts, he went into hiding, and here we are, talking about the coward today.
And for the record, he is probably being sought BECAUSE he was the commander. When you are in charge, and bad things happen, you take the fall.
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Post by Dublin John on Jan 9, 2005 23:34:35 GMT 1
Dublin, If you agree that the Croats committed crimes against innocent civilian Serbs, how does that make the Croats innocent?? Very illogical of you. . Please try to quote accurately. I stated Croatia was an innocent country invaded by another country. I also stated innocent Serb civilans were killed during the war. That's inevitable in war. The fact that serb civilians were unfortunately killed later has no bearing however, on the innocence of the Croats at the time of invasion. Nothing illogical about that. About the "innocent" war criminals, it was not until 2002 that Croatia extradicted it's "true" Croat criminals. Tihomir Blaskic and the Kupreskic brothers were Croats from Bosnia. Rahim Ademi was of Albanian descent. But Gotovina: "true" Croat. And the people went nuts, he went into hiding, and here we are, talking about the coward today.. A person is either a criminal or not a criminal irrespective of his ethnic origin. The reason the people went nuts is because of the blatantly obvious politically motivated indictment against him. Neither is he a coward. Big words from you there from the safety of cyberspace - I'd just love you to say that to his face. And for the record, he is probably being sought BECAUSE he was the commander. When you are in charge, and bad things happen, you take the fall. Really? Well in my book people guilty of crimes should be "sought" whether they're the commander or otherwise.
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