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Post by the boss on Jan 6, 2005 6:00:52 GMT 1
this is a stupid mixed up thread, in what way is Britain blocking Croatia's EU bid? In what way has Bleiburg got to do with this? Gotovina is a soldier doing his job, if he feels that it is right to give himself up, then he would do so. He probably feels that he has no charges to answer, so forcing him to the Hague in handcuffs would be unworkable. The Hague should drop these charges as they have been a failure anyway, a complete waste of money.
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Post by j on Jan 6, 2005 6:14:20 GMT 1
hello...
tend to agree with you... but there are certain nations blocking croatia's entry to the eu.. over the gotovina thing.. england is one of them..
to be quite honest.. i do not understand why these nations insist he is in croatia...
the bleiburg issue was brought up to show that there is a historical distrust of some croats to the english.. things like that tend not to be forgotten
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 6, 2005 9:27:32 GMT 1
well that's normal for the english to be agaisnt Croatia, they sold us before 1918,1945 and they try to sell us again. The weaker we are the better they can use us. It all about control.That normal to understand. True, the English ed us with the death marches. I wonder why they allowed all those Croatians to die like that. I believe they really don't want Croatia to get ahead.
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 6, 2005 9:40:20 GMT 1
Culchie, Personal insults at me are the only thing you can show instead of your total lack of argumentation. What I have said is merely to correct factual errors. Or do you still insist Scots and Welsh are not Brits??!!! If I stoop to your level then I can only say if I have a low IQ then yours must be negative!!!!!!! Andy Pants, Speaking as a Croatian/Scot. You are full of about Scotland wanting to be part of england(u.k.). Majority of Scots can't stand you arrogant, slobby English and would gladly say they are not part of britian You also stated that few Scots want to seperate from England. What a load of crap.... Scotland would love independence from England(u.k). The Welsh & Irish too!!!! Now back to Croatia..... You know they want this guy to go to the Hague! President Bush & his disgusting cronies should be going there and lots of other corrupt leaders, you won't see that! WHY?
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Post by George on Jan 6, 2005 10:31:45 GMT 1
In response to 'Karadzic and Mladic still elude' (Nedim Dervisbegovic, Reuters 12/30/04). I found most interesting the comments made by General David Leakey regarding Hague fugitive Croatian General Ante Gotovina. www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=646510 Having observed the ICTY for several years I am perplexed as to why the respected international News Agencies avoid the actual facts regarding Gotovina's wherabouts, yet concentrate on pushing the unsubstantiated ICTY prosecution's office claim that he is in Croatia or Western Hercegovina. General Leakey initially states: " (Gotovina) is known both to spend time in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina as well"; which on inspection is based on unspecified so-called "indications." He then, however, admits the information on which these same indications are based was insufficient and "not good enough....otherwise I'd have acted (to arrest him)." It appears to me that the ICTY prosecution office's agenda is not to apprehend Gotovina where he is, or has been, actually located, but to ignore these facts and instead insist he is in Croatia or Western Hercegovina. The prosecuter's office has firmly claimed this for some time, yet despite pressurising the Croatian government to arrest him, has provided the exact same unspecified "indications" as Leakey, which is clearly "not good enough." To date, the ICTY investigators have provided nothing whatsoever to support their assertion that Gotovina is where they say he is. On the contrary, all the indications point to the fact that Gotovina is not in Croatia and has not been in Croatia since 2001. Whilst Dervisbegovic states Gotovina is "rumoured" to be in Ireland, all available evidence suggests he certainly was (and quite possibly still is) in Ireland. Furthermore, key individuals alleged to be protecting Gotovina (a suspected war criminal with a $5m bounty) and involved in his escape have been linked to international organised crime, Irish Republican paramilitaries and arms smuggling. A simple internet search confirms this. The Croatian media announced the possibility of an Irish cover-up in January 2004 www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=181060, which, I understand, was never investigated and went unreported outside of Croatia. When Deirdre Tynan for the Irish Mirror spoke to a senior Irish police official about the serious allegations, they replied they "had never heard of Gotovina and weren't aware there was an arrest warrant in his name." Despite Croatian and Italian intelligence reports leaked to their respective press and widespread media publicity in Croatia, Serbia, the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland since October 2003 alleging Gotovina is in Ireland and naming his (Irish) collaborators; to date there has not been any police enquiry whatsoever to confirm or deny these allegations. Conversely, numerous investigations and enquiries have been conducted in Croatia, from both domestic and foreign police and intelligence agencies, which indicate Gotovina is not and has not been there for years, confirming the official Croatian government position. More so, none of the aforementioned reports concerning Gotovina, published in the Irish and Croatian media, were repeated in the press in Britain. If proven true of course, it would be highly embarrassing for the British government not least for the fact their elaborate undercover MI6 operation in Croatia to catch Gotovina failed. Instead, these same reports have been completely ignored in favour of the ICTY prosecuter's "Rumour." Combined with the recent case of the IRA's 'Colombia three,' BBC monitoring reports of IRA members training Albanian guerillas www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/tvp112604.htm and the recent heist in Belfast, as an Ulsterman, I am deeply concerned about the threat to both the Union and the people of Northern Ireland by Irish Republicans and even more so by the blatant suppression of the facts in the media. The picture is there for those who have eyes. I urge all Ulstermen to be vigilant. VL. Belfast.
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Post by EMIZZZZAGREB on Jan 6, 2005 12:53:25 GMT 1
ILOVEU2, on every single thread you're on I see you arguing in a very spiteful and nationalistic manner, enough is enough, if you are a married adult like you claim, grow up.
I really do not want to get involved in talks about Gotovina because everything I know is from subjective views, thus I probably don't know the truth, but this is interesting for me to read.
Perhaps Anna, should approach an author of a Croatian history book and sell them advertising on this page, certainly there are many people on this site (including myself) that only have half of the picture.
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Post by Andypandy on Jan 6, 2005 14:34:31 GMT 1
LoveU2 (alias complete fuc*wit)
U said "You are full of about Scotland wanting to be part of england."
Shows how ultra stupid you are. Scotland could never be part of England. It IS part of UK. You are so stupid you do not realise.
And you call me full of shi*!!! You are a joke!!!
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Post by Erin on Jan 6, 2005 18:18:18 GMT 1
Furthermore, key individuals alleged to be protecting Gotovina (a suspected war criminal with a $5m bounty) and involved in his escape have been linked to international organised crime, Irish Republican paramilitaries and arms smuggling. What is this. Everyone knows this is the work of brit intelligence trying to shame the croat war and stitch the general up trying to make them into criminals. We'll look after him if he comes to our village allright. The Irish know the score so we do. Up the general and his protecturs!!!
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Post by BuBa on Jan 6, 2005 21:09:51 GMT 1
ILOVEU2, on every single thread you're on I see you arguing in a very spiteful and nationalistic manner, enough is enough, if you are a married adult like you claim, grow up. I really do not want to get involved in talks about Gotovina because everything I know is from subjective views, thus I probably don't know the truth, but this is interesting for me to read. Perhaps Anna, should approach an author of a Croatian history book and sell them advertising on this page, certainly there are many people on this site (including myself) that only have half of the picture. If you don't like the subject then don't come to this forum/post called GOTOVINA.....
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 6, 2005 22:06:43 GMT 1
Eric, are you rewriting history? England always against Croatia? I seem to remember England was one of the first countries to recognize Croatia as independent after it ceded from Yugoslavia. The first to recognize Croatia are: Germany, Vatican, Austria....not England
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Post by blah blah blah on Jan 6, 2005 23:12:14 GMT 1
...well that says it all doesn't it, what brilliant influences these are, they own half of Croatia don't they, what price independence a land full of Germans again. Is that what Gotovina put his life on the line for?
The Vatican that's hilarious.
Oh and Scotland can detach itself from England and disappear off into the North Sea as far as most Englishmen are concerned. What a load of Rubbish.
U2 make me laugh you wouldn't get on Croatian Television your too funny!
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Post by blah blah blah on Jan 6, 2005 23:13:55 GMT 1
...well that says it all doesn't it, what brilliant influences these are, they own half of Croatia don't they, what price independence a land full of Germans again. Is that what Gotovina put his life on the line for?
The Vatican that's hilarious.
Oh and Scotland can detach itself from England and disappear off into the North Sea as far as most Englishmen are concerned. What a load of Rubbish.
U2 make me laugh you wouldn't get on Croatian Television your too funny!
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Post by blah blah on Jan 6, 2005 23:20:45 GMT 1
...well that says it all doesn't it, what brilliant influences these are, they own half of Croatia don't they, what price independence a land full of Germans again. Is that what Gotovina put his life on the line?
U2 make me laugh you wouldn't get on Croatian Television your too funny!
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Post by blah on Jan 6, 2005 23:25:06 GMT 1
some people are trying to turn this into a Catholic cause
leave it alone
blah blah balh
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Post by Dragan on Jan 7, 2005 1:18:10 GMT 1
Well said, what is forgotton is that Gotovina put his "life on the line," as did so many of the other Croatian leaders at the time. It took bravery to break away from Yugoslavia and it is easy to forget this now. It is too simple in a time of peace to make judgements about a time of war. Never forget the fear and the panic that was about at that time.
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