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Post by Dimnjacar on Oct 14, 2004 10:22:00 GMT 1
well for all of you Ante has also French citisenship. He has been in Legion for years and you know how they treat their comraids.
I hope he will not be an obstacle to EU but as the situation is developing it seems that some countries would like to see whole West Balkan enter together and are trying to slow down Croatia making Gotovina an issue.If he is not in Cro how can croatian government be responsible??
well lets see what Carla Del Ponte will say -do but yesterdays statement from EU expantion head Guenther Verheugen seem promising and he did not link Gotovina issue with EU.
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Post by Jure i Boban on Nov 15, 2004 7:03:25 GMT 1
Gotovina is a great man who should be treated as a hero and not a war criminal. If it wasn't for Gotovina we would not have a country to call our own.
He was following orders with the support of the American government to gain back control of Krajina region of Croatia. He cannot be held personally responsible for every soldiers actions...
some may have gone overboard after "revenge" but it cannot be placed on Gotovina's shoulders.
HEROJ GOTOVINA !!!
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Post by Ante i Franjo on Nov 15, 2004 10:01:12 GMT 1
TSSSSSS....Nothing great about that poor guy. I think he will give anything to walk free around Croatia, or even Europe. He is ex criminal, ex drug dealer, mafia.... who else serve in french legion? Franjo & Croatia used him and guys like him, and then abandoned them. Most of them where executed quietly after war or send to Haag to move out of the way. He know that, that is why he is on the run.
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Post by Eric on Dec 12, 2004 21:42:41 GMT 1
well that's normal for the english to be agaisnt Croatia, they sold us before 1918,1945 and they try to sell us again. The weaker we are the better they can use us. It all about control.That normal to understand.
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Post by observer on Dec 13, 2004 15:23:35 GMT 1
Eric, are you rewriting history? England always against Croatia? I seem to remember England was one of the first countries to recognize Croatia as independent after it ceded from Yugoslavia.
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Post by lord carrington on Dec 15, 2004 12:40:02 GMT 1
your kidding arent you?! England was one of the main countries who opposed croatias independance i should know because i was one of the peace envoys along with my comrade lord owen. We would have much rather croatia stay in a serb dominated yugoslavia... observer? What the hell were you watching
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Post by Guest on Dec 15, 2004 16:37:56 GMT 1
Lord Carrington, I trust that you know much better than I do. ;D But I too was sure that the British government recognized Croatia as an independent country.
What were the factors that made Britain change her mind, and what was the essence of the clashes with Hans-Dietrich Genscher about the recognition issue?
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Post by Lord Carrington on Dec 17, 2004 0:00:20 GMT 1
Britain did recognise croatia but with great hesitation same with the french. While countries like germany and austria were pushing the recognition of croatia britain and the french were against it, much like today with croatia wanting to join the EU, once again britain is their greatest hurdle. www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-8-2004-62678.asp'Mr MacShane was in Berlin yesterday for talks with German officials on the issue, which echoes the row that raged between Britain and Germany in 1991 when Germany successfully pushed for EU recognition of Croatian independence against bitter British opposition.'
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Post by Lets Hang him on Dec 30, 2004 8:03:47 GMT 1
You people are all insane here! I say Gotovina gives up from hiding and faces the charges like any other mortal man! If he is innocent or not let's hang him! There is always a scapegoat in any war, so let's have him bear the sins of Croatia on his shoulders. Is this what you want to hear?! If giving him up, we shall be forgiven for defending our country, and evacuating the enemy from fermenting under our noses, then we shall hang him as a symbol of our EU status. For all you Croats, you keep harping on the English thing- can you freaking forget about that and move on and fix the problems with your economy especially now during the new election. "oooooh the English never wanted us, and they never liked us"....so what! Now is the time that we fix our country, we fix our problems, and what is one thing that nobody can resist....a star! A shining survivor and a success story. So go ahead and forge ahead to be that! Lucy M
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Post by EMIZ on Dec 30, 2004 13:46:18 GMT 1
Germany recognised Croatia, due to their links in WWII,,,FACT!!!!
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Post by Lord Carrington on Jan 2, 2005 6:17:03 GMT 1
Not only WW2 but also WW1, austria-hungary times and also the hapsburg rule. Any other facts you wish to mention? But enough about croatian politics this thread is about Mr. Gotovina, i believe he has done nothing wrong he fought on croatian soil elimenating the occupying forces. How does one become the hagues most wanted for defending his homeland?
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Post by Guest on Jan 2, 2005 6:32:04 GMT 1
Germany recognised Croatia, due to their links in WWII,,,FACT!!!! Nope, due to ex. YU constitution. UK also recognized Croatia. This means that UK and Germany had links during WW2 ?
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Post by Veljac on Jan 3, 2005 14:44:08 GMT 1
Just tell me did Croatia ever in entire history fought an ofensive war!?We were only defending us, looking through history,all our wars were fought on our teritory. Which is not the case for many european countries.
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Post by j on Jan 5, 2005 6:17:05 GMT 1
dobar dan...
i really believe that anyone who was not directly involved with the war does not understand what happened...
no disrespect to anyone...
here is a scenerio.. if a foreign army invaded the uk and razed parts to the ground... and a english general forced that army to retreat... and then certain outside forces consider him to be a criminal.... what would your views be??
and if one lost property and much worse... family... well... now you understand how some people feel about gen. gotovina....
HEROJ.... NE ZLOCIN
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Post by J on Jan 5, 2005 6:28:00 GMT 1
dobar dan...
forgot.... ww2 has nothing to do with the recognition of yugoslavia.... germany and austria supported croatia due to the large croatian populations in their republics...
was more about votes and economics than historical alliances...
by the way... do the english ever learn about what happened in bleiberg???
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