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Post by No Nationality on Sept 22, 2004 16:51:05 GMT 1
Ohhh we have some nationalist over here dont we. The so what test ? You call yourself educated. Fifty six million people dying in WW2 and just a fraction of those are British. But it would be wrong for me to say fraction, I wont step to your level, I feel sorry for the people that died. The fact that you stated how only Britain engaged in war, Britain suffered... you are sad Like typical ENGLISH you seem to think that there isn't anything else beyond walls of Britain, same as Americans. How do you make victims of yourself all the time?? You seem to ignore everything else I stated ... Is that because you agree ? The British and U.S urged French to minimise the demands, it didn't stop them from taking a piece of large pie. I studied history in your school (and book), what does that tell you? I suggest you get you fact straight. It would be about time after 60 years, especially if you were there. P.S. I guess wisdom and knowledge do not come with age
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Post by Point on Sept 24, 2004 7:58:09 GMT 1
Dosadan si ko proljev ;D Instead of bagging the english (which i rather like) why dont you channel your energy to promoting croatia? But then again your probably another one of these yugo nostalgic sons of bitches.
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Post by Point on Sept 24, 2004 8:11:50 GMT 1
Dosadan si ko proljev Instead of bagging the english (which i rather like) why dont you channel your energy to promoting croatia? But then again your probably another one of these yugo nostalgic sons of B*I*T*C*H*E*S
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Post by Karlo on Sept 24, 2004 10:35:54 GMT 1
I agree with no nationality...He raised some good points and I don't see why English should come into this forum and raise points they do not understand.
Point, I think you need to read the rest of his posts. I don't think he feels homesick, but rather the contrary.
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Post by Arthur Blagden on Oct 1, 2004 20:45:40 GMT 1
Having just returned from a short holiday in Croatia, I thought I'd skim the net to find out why there were so many dynamited buildings between Zadar and Sibenik. After reading all the claims and counter claims I can now see what is meant by the term "Balkan Mentality". Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to relive them over and over again. We English aren't perfect by any means, but we have at least learned enough from the past to know the "it just isn't cricket" to rape, murder and ethnicly cleanse our neighbours. We might have done it in the Middle Ages but not in the last decade of the 20th century.
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Post by svugrekzg on Oct 2, 2004 5:06:10 GMT 1
Very interesting post, Arthur. Btw, I dont see how this recent situation in Iraq fits in the middle ages or you are just lost in time wrap. Maybe we 'primitive' Balkan nations should learn from more experienced ones like from the Brits based on their cultural and peaceful actions to Iraqis prisoners of war and etc. Anyway, thanks for this lesson, buddy p.s. keep learning, never know when you may need it
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Post by Arthur Blagden on Oct 2, 2004 15:35:09 GMT 1
Sorry svugrekzg, by Middle Ages I was thinking more of 500 years ago rather than present day Iraq, but I stand corrected. Even so I really am not convinced that British Government policy is to rape, maim and murder as many Iraqis as possible. And in my simple way I expect any of our soldiers accused of such war crimes to be arrested and put to trial. As I suppose violators of the Geneva Convention and human rights would have been brought to book after the Yugoslav wars.
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Post by martin krpan on Oct 3, 2004 15:21:31 GMT 1
War in Iraq
I hope to see British soldiers + Tony Blair at the International War Crimes Tribunal.
A great wrong has been done; somebody must be punished ... Somebody must be blamed and must pay as soon as posible!
JUSTICE FOR ALL
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Post by Andypandy on Oct 4, 2004 8:26:33 GMT 1
Martin what a stupid ignorant comment.
British soldiers are risking their lives (and have done so in the Balkans) and to prevent more mass graves in Iraq and ex YU caused by the indigineous peoples.
How you can put your name to such an idiot comment is unbelievable!!!!
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Post by svugrekzg on Oct 5, 2004 2:05:07 GMT 1
andypandy, tell me who invited those British soldiers to Iraq ? What are they preventing there ? They are the reason of mass graves in Iraq, as long as they stay there they represent nothing but cancer for poor Iraq and its stability! Why did Brits get involved in operations in Iraq, i dont know..but i am sure your government could come up with numerous material reasons, they should also know that we live in 21st century and that the best decision ever would be to send British troops home, maybe it would result with some piece on this planet/
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Post by Andypandy on Oct 5, 2004 8:29:58 GMT 1
Zvugreksg,
I think you will find the mass graves in Iraq are those instigated by Saddam. Any suggestion to the contrary make you look stupid!! (Just as those in ex Yug are those made by Croat Bosnian and Muslims and not the British). Are far as I am aware there has been no mass killing by British troops. I know the Creoatian press is absolute crap but its unbelievable where you get your info.
Just for your info the British have a sense of freedom and justice and would never support or even live under tyranny fascism or communism, unlike some I can think of. Many years of living under dictatorship has warped your sense of the world
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Post by Culchie on Oct 5, 2004 21:46:08 GMT 1
visitcroatia.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=debate&thread=1081261222&start=30AndyPandy, We've locked horns on this before.... you just don't seem to objectively look at the unrest in the world. Why is there so much trouble in the middle-east, Iraq, Afghanistan, Angola, Liberia, Palestine etc..... Why are the USA interested in these countries? Oil ...Oil ...Oil .....Simple as that. US Oil reserves will be gone by the end of the decade, they won't sign up to any environmental iniatiatives such as Kyoto, they still drive 4 litre pick up trucks and about $1.20 a gallon (that's a gallon)....they need oil ! Why do you think the USA treats Israel the way it does?..It's geographical location to the oil that's why, it's like a 53rd state of the USA I'm not on a bashing exercise, but ask you you just to have a little think about it. BTW, ask the British Soldiers why are they in Iraq? They are just 19 and 20 year old pawns in the game, they are just carrying out orders, and are just manipulated, the same as the US Troops. Remember the song about the Vietnam war ....Na Na Na Nineteen ! Also any weapons Saddam had ..... As the joke goes.... Q Why did the US think that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? A Because they sold them to him BTW
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Post by Andypandy on Oct 6, 2004 8:44:40 GMT 1
Culchie, You are in fact agreeing with me and disagreeing with Svugreg in that you don't think British soldiers should be tried. But you seem to move the argument in an irrelevant fashion; I was arguing against a stupid ignorant comment making Brit serviceman out to be evil. What has the US got to do with this specific point. In the UK controlled sector of Iraq, we are trying to rebuild th ecountry and most locals support that. Whats that got to do with general US foreign policy? ?? Try reading the posts. Mayeb you read the "K" as an "S" in UK. A trip to the opticians perhaps?? As fars as your points on oil are concerned you are completely wrong. European and US soldiers intervened in Bosnia (where there are mass graves like found in Iraq), Kosovo. I didnt know that were million barrels of oil under Pristina and massive gas reserves in Bihac??. I agree with some of your sentiment that the US are arrogant trigger happy selfish idiots, but do you really think Afghanistan was better under the Taliban?
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Post by Culchie on Oct 6, 2004 9:55:32 GMT 1
Yes I should have linked the UK position to the US, sorry I omitted it.... but I would have thought it was obvious that Tony Blair has aligned himself so close up George Bush's ass and has dug himself such a big hole, that he is a lame duck.....or a big puppy dog, but realises now too late that the US approach was fundamentally flawed.
The fact is that the US and UK have contravened International Law in their war in Iraq, they also ignored the UN and it's due process, and as for Arthurs comment on the Geveva Convention, it is just ignored....note Quantanemo Bay in Cuba for confirmation on that.
Having said all that, it's looking like Kerry will get the better of Bush in the US elections, so there is some hope yet.
Whether Afghanistan is better with or without the Taliban is irrelevant to this topic....what is relevant is that the only reason the US (backed by the UK) went into to Afghanistan is to control the supply of oil in the region..... not to even go into the fact that now since the Taliban has gone that Afghanistan are now back growing and distributing 75% of the World's opium servicing the heroine industry......
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Post by elsanddee on Oct 7, 2004 21:41:37 GMT 1
I am English my wife is Croatian, my wife spent the war living on the front line. I can say from what i have read and been told first hand, the biggest cause of all the problems is IGNORANCE!
Can we trust our polititians? I know during the war, non of my colleagues, friends, the man in the street had a clue even where Yugolslavia was, most knew only of Yugoslavia as a seaside destination a bit like spain. No one knew of the political make up or history. My wife visited Jyasenovac concentration camp on a school visit. But in an English school, the second world war was to modern, we learnt about the saxons,1066, the fire of london, guy fawks.
So the ignorance continues, how can you go through a secondary education without learning about recent history. Perhaps we are all sheep and follow the polititians we elect.
One thing i told my relatives in Slavonia, that when the bridge across the Sava was re built, in time they will be shopping in Bosnia. They looked at me as though i was crazy, but now they travel across all the time as normality prevails.In time everyone forgets, it all gets swept under the carpet and life goes on.
America creating democracy in a world, like a bull in a china shop, blinded by ignorance, although with good intention, we think!
My wifes grandmother has finally returned to her house in Bosnia after 12 years, we have just finished rebuilding it, as it was blown up at the end of the war. 78 years old and a refugee for 10 years, she is one of the lucky ones, she escaped with her life.
In the perfect world there would be peace, but alas we live in a world of greed and one up manship.
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