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Post by Dan on Dec 14, 2004 4:26:12 GMT 1
O, as for the guy that wrote (many posts ago) why the language is called serbocroatian and not only croatian, the answer is similar to the stupidity of his question: cause it is spoken by serbs and croatians simultaneously...like it or not nationalist friends.. you are relatives... No, not relatives. If you would have been awake on your history lessions you would have learned that croats are of different origins than the serbs. Totaly different. One can't prevent that these races have mixed some during the years though but that is still irrelevant if you look to the main picture. Ever heard about the "white croats"? "Blue croats"? The croats that came from Ukraine and northern Poland? Even iranian croats of Aryan race? Even the languages are separate but have been forced into silly blend. Everything that is "slav" was more or less forced upon the croat population. This is a group of people who have always looked to the west. Always had good relations to Italy and Germany and has always been the final frontier towards the east.
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Post by Martin Krpan on Dec 19, 2004 13:11:41 GMT 1
If you would have been awake on your history lessions you would have learned that croats are of different origins than the serbs. Totaly different. Even the languages are separate but have been forced into silly blend. Everything that is "slav" was more or less forced upon the croat population. Dan If you are wright about this, than Croats speak Serbian Slav language.
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Post by Queen B on Dec 26, 2004 20:41:05 GMT 1
Oh Dear God!!!!
After all this time, when the entire world has acknowledged that socialsim-communism has proven to be the undoing of all the nations that have embraced it (compare the economy of Cuba, former USSR, China to the democratic-capitalis countries of USA, England).....it is obvious that the thread about Croatia (and other former Yugo republics) remaining part of Yugoslavia is nonsense!!!
Why don't we stick to facts......
Yugoslavia, regardless of the hidden political turmoil and hatred (that all Muslims, Serbs and Croats promoted in confienes of their houseld) accumulated so much debt during Tito's rule, and used so many of these borrowed dollars to fund the communist tastes and isolate the masses from the Western world. It promoted exile for many of its inhabitants and the politics was executed similar to those of the 19th century court; suspicion and executions. (UDBA)
I am of Croatian heritage, and my husband is Serbian. Both of our families have tried to stop our union!! So nobody on this forum can tell me that interracial marriages in former Yugo were encuraged!!! Those who did marry into the other culture, were disowned and had to give up their culture completely-mainly by the woman.... This was especially felt for those who originated from the Bosna and Herzegovina region.
I live in US, however, I respect my husband's Serbian side and love my Croatian heritage.....By this time both of our families have learned to respect us for who we are and our childern are welcomed- but it did not come easy and without a fight, tears and many broken hearts!
I resent all those comments which do not admit the truth, and by that belittles experiences such as mine.
The hatred did exist back then, and contiues to exist......I live it everytime we visit Cacak (Serbia) and Croatia.....my kids feel it even more!!!
I truly don't understand where you people are coming from!
Queen B
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Post by Caelestis on Jan 3, 2005 18:30:59 GMT 1
The dumbest ever comment is:
"Visit Croatia"
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Post by j on Jan 5, 2005 6:06:10 GMT 1
dobar dan...
you mean the dummest person ever is caelestis....
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 16, 2005 10:15:10 GMT 1
Oh Dear God!!!! I am of Croatian heritage, and my husband is Serbian. Both of our families have tried to stop our union!! So nobody on this forum can tell me that interracial marriages in former Yugo were encuraged!!! Those who did marry into the other culture, were disowned and had to give up their culture completely-mainly by the woman.... This was especially felt for those who originated from the Bosna and Herzegovina region. I live in US, however, I respect my husband's Serbian side and love my Croatian heritage.....By this time both of our families have learned to respect us for who we are and our childern are welcomed- but it did not come easy and without a fight, tears and many broken hearts! I resent all those comments which do not admit the truth, and by that belittles experiences such as mine. The hatred did exist back then, and contiues to exist......I live it everytime we visit Cacak (Serbia) and Croatia.....my kids feel it even more!!! I truly don't understand where you people are coming from! Queen B Maybe that predjudice is in Serbia In Croatia, croat & serb marry that happens and nobody really cares anymore You act like serbs are hiding in holes in Croatia with fear.... Please nobody really gives a . I honestly don't want Serbs to come back and I am sure that Serbs don't want us coming to their homeland either but as far as marriage unions between the cro/serb it happens and know one really cares. It is like blacks in america, majority of whites don't care what your color skin is as long as you are a good person. You do have a minority of whites that hate other races but again it is a small minority.... kinda like Croatians, majority don't care about serbs, small minority of ignorant Croats go about hating! I am not saying I like serbs in general but on a one on one basis I have 2 aquaintences that are married to serb and one that is serb I don't base my friendship with them on the whole serbia or else I would not get along with them.
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Post by emiz on Jan 16, 2005 15:00:35 GMT 1
u2:
In Croatia, croat & serb marry that happens and nobody really cares anymore
What planet do you live on??
I know of many of several occasions when fathers have stopped Croat girls marrying Serbian men purely because of their nationality.
You really are showing how out of touch you are with Croatian feeling.
Actually the bitterness towards Serbia doesn't really concern me so much, I am sure all countries that were forced into a war would hate the country 10 years later.
I am sure if you asked Brits in 1955 what they thought of Germans they would not like Germans, it is wrong to generalise against a whole nation, but I think in this instance it is understandable.
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 17, 2005 9:39:35 GMT 1
u2: In Croatia, croat & serb marry that happens and nobody really cares anymore What planet do you live on?? I know of many of several occasions when fathers have stopped Croat girls marrying Serbian men purely because of their nationality. You really are showing how out of touch you are with Croatian feeling. Actually the bitterness towards Serbia doesn't really concern me so much, I am sure all countries that were forced into a war would hate the country 10 years later. I am sure if you asked Brits in 1955 what they thought of Germans they would not like Germans, it is wrong to generalise against a whole nation, but I think in this instance it is understandable. The more and more I read your post Emiz, the more I get a feeling you don't live in Croatia. You have got things so wrong sometimes, maybe you are married into a old racist family, maybe your wife is some peasant from some tiny village with no education. People are dating and marrying serbs everyday in Croatia... nobody really gives a . I don't know where you come up with your theories or what kind of friends/people you know that hate people that date or marry serbs. Majority of Croatians don't care, especially the younger generation. The hard as*sses that hate serbs are a minority and are the older generation and I mean old. I unfortunately have a father that is a hard as*s he hates serbs, if I married one I would be disowned... Can you blame that older generation....They saw a lot of terrible things and have every right to hate! But again younger generation croats are more open minded & don't care who you date/marry. So maybe emiz you are hanging around old farts & ignorant people?
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Post by Culchie on Jan 17, 2005 12:43:20 GMT 1
Love U2, Haven't replied to any of your comments, read them all on all the different threads. Question ...... How on earth did you come up with your 'open mind.... and thoughts might drop in' slogan for your User ID ? I haven't seen you consider one other point of view, other than your own. Open Mind
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Post by EMIZ on Jan 17, 2005 13:21:43 GMT 1
Iloveu2, you verge from stupid to ignorant, to abusive to simply laughable.
Regarding my wife, my wife sits and laughs at your idiotic rants, she is a university professor, all her family are highly successful in the corporate world, speak many languages and certainly have a much better grasp of English than you.
She was educated in New York and Rome and her educated certainly exceeds yours, my education clearly exceeds yours, and hers exceeds mine. Indeed one of her very close family, was at one point very high in the Croatian government, this is irrelevant.
ic people like you, chose to ignore the truth and attempt to make the truth invalid, by making the person's views unreliable.
You are simply a joke, and despite many people supporting Croatia on this forum, and all of them doing a better job than you, nobody has supported you.
Ask yourself why, the answers are simple, you are simple minded, narrow minded and basically have no knowledge of anything, yet profess to be an expert in every area.
Your refusal to answer my basic economic questions shows that you really have no idea what you are talking about.
You have no serious answer for anything, whenever somebody says Croatia has problems with abc, instead of saying ok, yes I understand we have problems here and we need to improve this, we will do so by.... You completely ignore it and say , England or USA is much worse, you are being ridiculed even by your fellow Croats who I am sure are pleased you do not live here and hope you never return.
Your father is a nationalist you say? Wow what a surprise; I wonder where you got your views from? Unlike you, I don't take my views from one or two people, the people close to me are very open minded, but those I live around are not, you have no idea about life in Croatia; if you think most Croats don't hold bad feelings towards Serbs, you are truly stupid.
Culchie; I have asked the same thing myself but she refuses to answer a question.
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 17, 2005 22:49:10 GMT 1
Iloveu2, you verge from stupid to ignorant, to abusive to simply laughable. Regarding my wife, my wife sits and laughs at your idiotic rants, she is a university professor, all her family are highly successful in the corporate world, speak many languages and certainly have a much better grasp of English than you. She was educated in New York and Rome and her educated certainly exceeds yours, my education clearly exceeds yours, and hers exceeds mine. Indeed one of her very close family, was at one point very high in the Croatian government, this is irrelevant. ic people like you, chose to ignore the truth and attempt to make the truth invalid, by making the person's views unreliable. You are simply a joke, and despite many people supporting Croatia on this forum, and all of them doing a better job than you, nobody has supported you. Ask yourself why, the answers are simple, you are simple minded, narrow minded and basically have no knowledge of anything, yet profess to be an expert in every area. Your refusal to answer my basic economic questions shows that you really have no idea what you are talking about. You have no serious answer for anything, whenever somebody says Croatia has problems with abc, instead of saying ok, yes I understand we have problems here and we need to improve this, we will do so by.... You completely ignore it and say , England or USA is much worse, you are being ridiculed even by your fellow Croats who I am sure are pleased you do not live here and hope you never return. Your father is a nationalist you say? Wow what a surprise; I wonder where you got your views from? Unlike you, I don't take my views from one or two people, the people close to me are very open minded, but those I live around are not, you have no idea about life in Croatia; if you think most Croats don't hold bad feelings towards Serbs, you are truly stupid. Culchie; I have asked the same thing myself but she refuses to answer a question. I know your wife is serbian and you are a little serb lover! You put down everything about Croatia. If your wife is Croatian you would never say the things I have seen you post in all the different forums. You are now saying the majority of Croatians in Croatia hate Serbs and would hate anyone that marries a serb! You don't live in Croatia or you would know that is not true.... You are making stuff up as you go about Croatia.... I can't believe the lies that you posted, one of the lies on one of the forums that you posted said there was nothing to rent in Zagreb under $2000.usd...HUGE LIE. On another post you write to someone that their is no such thing as Croatian cuisine. That Croatian food is Austrian, Italian, Turkish.....HMMM Another LIE!!!! You said in a multitude of posts that all Croatians are nationalist, fascist, racist.....another lie and generalization. You say that people on these post agree with you... I beg to differ....They IGNORE you.... Here is an example of how racist Croatians are... from a post by Rich Rich Full Member member is offline Gender: Posts: 66 Re: I'm so confused! « Reply #5 on: Today at 06:12am » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- on Today at 05:51am, sandreen wrote:I will be visiting first. I actually finally got all the dates settled with my flight. I will be there from June 13th to August 5th. I am just planning to visit, but considering moving to CRoatia, depending if its a place for me. I hope the 1.5 months will help me decide if I could actually afford to move there later on. I'm just going to relax and try to get a feel of how it would be to live there. I am really excited...just worried about how the locals will see me as. If me being Asian (Korean) would matter. i will give you my personal perspective on your desire to move here... FROM RICH: I get the feeling that you are from America, even though you have a Korean heritage... (which is very very rich one indeed... over 5 thousand years old and one of the most robust people ever on earth with the most logical language developed by a genius warrior king--as claimed by Discover science magazine ).... i know a little bit about Korea because I am half Korean myself... Reason i said you must be from America is because you are applying American thinking to your move to Croatia... that is, you will be judged by your appearance... You wont. Croatian people really dont care what you look like, your skin color doesnt matter as long as you are a good person. People here have given me looks at time, not of malice but of curiosity... and once the curiosity is sated, (and i say dobar dan with a smile) they move on... they ask me where i am from, i tell them, and we drink beer together. thats it. people from Croatia are beautiful, both inside and out. And i am very very happy and consider myself lucky that i could serve such beautiful people with my profession. One note of caution tho... like everyone said, unemployment rate is very low, so finding jobs, especially for a foreign nationals will be difficult at best. my advice to you is, maybe invest in a business... and go from there. I hope you decide to stay. Rich It does'nt sound like Croatian are hurling racist insults to Rich, so your theory that all Croatians are racist, is out the window.
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 17, 2005 22:59:53 GMT 1
Englishman in Serbia,
another thing, I have answered your posts in other forums a number of times... others have also told you things are different than what you have said..you argue with them also.... It seems to me... no one is correct on Croatia but a English .
I have also in previous posts extended my hand of friendship to you... I told you lets not argue anymore because no one on the posts wants to see it all these arguments... YOU continued to follow me around different forums and write comments on everything I said....Even on subjects other than Croatia...
You are crazy, if someone does not agree with you, you will follow them around the forums like a pit bull with a steak..... Grow up, not everyone is going to agree with you. I am entitled to my opinions and so are you....so quit attacking me on everything I say. It makes you look crazy!
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 17, 2005 23:15:53 GMT 1
Love U2, Haven't replied to any of your comments, read them all on all the different threads. Question ...... How on earth did you come up with your 'open mind.... and thoughts might drop in' slogan for your User ID ? I haven't seen you consider one other point of view, other than your own. Open Mind You obviously have not read all my posts...When you do then come back and say that! I do not count any posts that are addressed to the idiot EMIZ. by the way the "I'm sorry I like Golf" real original, real dosadan!
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Post by Culchie on Jan 18, 2005 22:35:10 GMT 1
Yawn
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Post by LoveU2 on Jan 19, 2005 4:53:44 GMT 1
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