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Post by Right on Aug 30, 2004 13:14:25 GMT 1
G'day to everyone , i stumbled across this forum while searching for any related websites for work in croatia. I dont know where u guys are from whether u are from croatia proper or some other country is irrelevant. I didnt think much of registering your forum or anything until i read the following post...... BY Croat 353 Aug 13th on the ' is it possible to find work in croatia' topic. I hate seeing Croatia be "bought up" the the west. They own us now... The only time Croatia had real "independence was in Yugoslavia.... To bad the West destroyed it This BULLS%@t that so-called croat 353 has dribbled has made me so pissed off that i had to register. That has to be the absolute most ridiculous S**T i have ever heard. How the hell can u say that we had 'real' independance in yugoslavia than what we have now?!? What drugs are you on??? For 70 odd years we were oppresed by the yugoslav serb dominated communist republic, you were not allowed to say that you were a croat, you were not allowed to show the grb in public, the croatian flag in yugoslavia was red white and blue with a RED STAR!!There were secret yugoslav police killing croats all over the world just for supporting an independant croatia!!! We almost lost our language in yugoslavia when tito tried to con the world that the language we speak is serbo-croat GET ED with your serbo-croat. If we did have 'REAL' independance than we wouldnt have fought a bloody war with our so-called yugoslav brothers which raged on for 5 years and destroyed thousands and thousands of lives. It is croats like YOU 353 that really irritate me. I'm sick of these croats who still somehow wish for a yugoslavia once again. Until recently u still had your yugoslavia comprising serbia and montenegro but even that is dead now. There was nothing positive for croatia in a yugoslavia, since its formation in 1919 our number 1 goal was independance and aside from a brief independant state in WW2 we finally succeeded in 91. SVE ZA HRVATSKU A HRVATSKU ZA NISTA HVALA TI BOZE STO SAM HRVAT JUGOSLAVIJO ZNAJ SVEMU JE KRAJ, ZBOGOM I VISE SE NE VRACAJ! www.jugoslavija.com/ |
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Post by UCP on Aug 30, 2004 16:17:55 GMT 1
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I For 70 odd years we were oppresed by the yugoslav serb dominated communist republic, you were not allowed to say that you were a croat,
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Dude, are you on drugs? Before the war you could say you were croat, serb, slovene , you could even say your from Afghanistan and no one would give a !
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Post by UCP on Aug 30, 2004 19:59:35 GMT 1
This BULLS%@t that so-called croat 353 has dribbled has made me so pissed off that i had to register. Ummm..... ???you didnt have to register.......you can post without registering....... |
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Post by svugrek on Aug 30, 2004 20:27:50 GMT 1
Perfect description, Right !!! Everything you said cannot be more true than it is.  Dear UCP, I dont know where you are from, if you ever lived in ex-Yugoslavia, especially if you were a Croat living in that fake creation so called Yugoslavia. You could say you were Croat ( I dont know about Serbia and Slovenia cuz I didnt live there) , but thereby you would put yourself in some kind of risk. because it was very desirable to declare yourself that you are Jugoslaven (Yugoslav). When you would say you were Croat, they would think of you like you are some Ustaha or nationalist thanks to serbian opression as mr. Right explained it above. The word Croat was a synonim for nationalism and ustashe! But thank god Yugoslavia is far behind us now. |
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Post by Croat 1 on Aug 30, 2004 21:38:17 GMT 1
G'day to everyone , i stumbled across this forum while searching for any related websites for work in croatia. I dont know where u guys are from whether u are from croatia proper or some other country is irrelevant. I didnt think much of registering your forum or anything until i read the following post...... BY Croat 353 Aug 13th on the ' is it possible to find work in croatia' topic. I hate seeing Croatia be "bought up" the the west. They own us now... The only time Croatia had real "independence was in Yugoslavia.... To bad the West destroyed it This BULLS%@t that so-called croat 353 has dribbled has made me so pissed off that i had to register. That has to be the absolute most ridiculous S**T i have ever heard. How the hell can u say that we had 'real' independance in yugoslavia than what we have now?!? What drugs are you on??? For 70 odd years we were oppresed by the yugoslav serb dominated communist republic, you were not allowed to say that you were a croat, you were not allowed to show the grb in public, the croatian flag in yugoslavia was red white and blue with a RED STAR!!There were secret yugoslav police killing croats all over the world just for supporting an independant croatia!!! We almost lost our language in yugoslavia when tito tried to con the world that the language we speak is serbo-croat GET ED with your serbo-croat. If we did have 'REAL' independance than we wouldnt have fought a bloody war with our so-called yugoslav brothers which raged on for 5 years and destroyed thousands and thousands of lives. It is croats like YOU 353 that really irritate me. I'm sick of these croats who still somehow wish for a yugoslavia once again. Until recently u still had your yugoslavia comprising serbia and montenegro but even that is dead now. There was nothing positive for croatia in a yugoslavia, since its formation in 1919 our number 1 goal was independance and aside from a brief independant state in WW2 we finally succeeded in 91. SVE ZA HRVATSKU A HRVATSKU ZA NISTA HVALA TI BOZE STO SAM HRVAT JUGOSLAVIJO ZNAJ SVEMU JE KRAJ, ZBOGOM I VISE SE NE VRACAJ! www.jugoslavija.com/Are you stupid! Everyone is entiled to their own opinion just like you! Many Croatians will disagree with you! What do you know about Croatia? How many years have you have you lived here? Why do you want to come back to Croatia to work if the west is better? Croatians who are true to their land will never leave!People like you who judge hastly makes me sick without know the facts! And, yes Croatians were much better paid and lived better before than now. Yes there are lack of things back in the old days, but time is changing! Also Tito was a Croat. |
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Post by Right is Dumb on Aug 30, 2004 21:42:23 GMT 1
And now you all want to come back to Croatia or come to Croatia after you LEFT and work or do business and make money!!! And so do the foreigners.
Because you leave when times are bad, and come back when it is getting better! What a true Croat are you!
Your comments are the dumbest! Not Croat 353!
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Post by svugrek on Aug 30, 2004 22:05:17 GMT 1
Tito was half Croat, half Slovene, but primary he was a Yugoslav (if such a thing ever existed)  And mr. 'Right is Dumb' , some people were simply forced to leave Croatia, some for political reasons ( Yugoslavia was a dictactorship country, there was no pluralism , the only party existed was freacking COMMUNIST PARTY, if you weren't their member, you couldn't get a job) HELLOOOO! While some people emigrated cuz they couldn't make living here. Here obviously, I am not talking about Ustashe that left immediately after WWII, than about 'normal' folk. How do you explain those all 'guestworkers' (gastarbeiters), (not just from Croatia, than from all ex-Yugoslav republics) that literally 'occupyied' western Europe hoping to find better future for themselves and their families! How come that most of Croats have some family members in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Netherlands, France, Sweden etc. ?!? |
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Post by UCP on Aug 30, 2004 22:25:18 GMT 1
What are you talking about Svugrek??? You said that you put yourself in risk if you call yourself a CROAT?  in Former Yugoslavia! ? Are you stoned my little friend?? Svugrek you even admitted in a post on some other thread that you were 14 years old at the time of the war (im guessing somehwere in the middle of the war?) How the hell could you know anything you were 14! As if you lived long enough to go across ex-yugo and say im croat, im yugoslav, and see the different reactions, My god! I had people in Croatia, slovenia , bosnia and serbia tell me they were "serb, croat, slovene, muslim (in all republiks),,,, and had no problem with it, and neither did anyone less. It was more desirble for people to say they were sreb croat or sloven than "Yugoslav" Before the war no one gave a crap what your ethnicity was! Serbs and croats were marrying each other, croats were best friends with serbs, etc...,,, none of it made barely and difference before the war. Svugrek, adje se ti negde premesti, i negovori gluposti ocemu ti nemas pojma! |
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Post by s vugrek on Aug 30, 2004 22:55:06 GMT 1
ehh, although I was a kid at that time, I wasn't stupid or blind. Sure Yugoslavs were Slovenes, Macedonians, Croats and Serbs. I ain't saying you couldn't say you were Croat to your friends, family members etc.. BUT please dont give me some crap that you were welcome to call yourself Croat ! Because it was strickly forbidden and considered as racism almost! We all were forced to declare ourselves like YUGOSLAVS! Did you ever see anybody wearing a shirt that contains the word Croatia ? Like americans wear shirts : Virginia, Michigan, New York etc ?? well, Americans has lived in an open and democratic society, Yugoslavia had not !!! Why our language had to be called Serbian-Croatian Why not only Croatian ? These two languages may seem to be similar, but they are not the same language! Just another example of democracy and self declaration. Now, after this, do you have anything else to add ? p.s. If you lived in ex-Yugoslavia, I am sure you had that red passport like all of us, and tell me what was your nationality in that passport ? Let me guess...Yugoslavian? Correct me if I am mistaken. |
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Post by Luka on Aug 30, 2004 23:15:50 GMT 1
What are you talking about Svugrek??? You said that you put yourself in risk if you call yourself a CROAT? in Former Yugoslavia! ? Are you stoned my little friend?? Svugrek you even admitted in a post on some other thread that you were 14 years old at the time of the war (im guessing somehwere in the middle of the war?) How the hell could you know anything you were 14! As if you lived long enough to go across ex-yugo and say im croat, im yugoslav, and see the different reactions, My god! I had people in Croatia, slovenia , bosnia and serbia tell me they were "serb, croat, slovene, muslim (in all republiks),,,, and had no problem with it, and neither did anyone less. It was more desirble for people to say they were sreb croat or sloven than "Yugoslav" Before the war no one gave a crap what your ethnicity was! Serbs and croats were marrying each other, croats were best friends with serbs, etc...,,, none of it made barely and difference before the war. Svugrek, adje se ti negde premesti, i negovori gluposti ocemu ti nemas pojma! UCP, I agree! Svugrek, how the hell do you know anything about Croatia at age 14? You are probably playing with your kid friends. What have you experienced? What have you seen? What do you know to makes such comments. Yes, UCP, before the war everyone were marrying each other and getting along - serbs, croats, bosnians etc. Now, it is a big issue of who you are! Can't we all get along? Why are we fighting each other! Comments from Right is dumb! |
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Post by svugrek on Aug 30, 2004 23:20:50 GMT 1
One example of serbian opression that was even involved in 'our' history books in schools. I heard a million times of Jasenovac, read about it, had to learn everything about it. In school we 'learnt' that the number of only dead Serbs in that camp reached one million + other nationals. I dont approve things like Jasenovac, I ain't an animal! But in 'our' history books, there was nothing about Bleiburg (1945 - Communist and Serbian crimes commited mostly against Croat and Slovene civilians, domobrans and small group of Ustashe and Germans). I heard about Bleiburg first time after Croatia became independant.
The number of victims in Jasenovac by experts hardly reaches 80.000 from which many were non-Serbs.
So, what was the main goal of this kind of education ?
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Post by svugrek on Aug 30, 2004 23:40:26 GMT 1
dera Luka and UCP, difference between me and you, guys, is that everything i wrote on here was from my brain following some logic and questioning things (almost self- discussing), while, you, guys, let your emotions to involve into this discussion.
I dont know why you keep accusing me of denying that serbs, slovenes, bosnians and croats were not allowed to get married between themselves. I never said that. Of course they all were marrying each other and being friends. I ain't gonna ever deny it, cuz it would be a total lie!
But thing is that you just keep missing the point of this debate.
If needed, read my posts again and dont answer them out of blue sky. Once again, I am talking here about GENERAL YUGOSLAV POLICY.
So what if I was just 14 years old, sure I was playing with other kids at that time, but wasn't too stupid to miss some obvious things about Yugoslavia.
I can already see that you are being kinda judgemental, but I am not a nationalist, neither was I raised that way. I am just using my head, that is all.
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Post by UCP on Aug 30, 2004 23:49:39 GMT 1
Well I am happy you agree with me Luka, I was beginning to think that the whole world had gone crazy! Just look at what Svugrek posted: "BUT please dont give me some crap that you were welcome to call yourself Croat ! Because it was strickly forbidden and considered as racism almost! We all were forced to declare ourselves like YUGOSLAVS!"
I have seen some pretty stupid remarks from both serbs and croats about yugoslavia, but of all those remarks this has to be the most idiotic, and pathetic one I have ever seen. I dont know on what type of durgs you are on Svugi , but they must be pretty strong. What on gods earth has gotten you to think that in Ex- Yugoslavia we must DELCARE ourselves as Yugoslavs. ? While you were playing with your friends in the sandbox, I was travelling all across Yugoslavia visiting the many beautifull places and people. And everywhere I wenr everyone I would talk to would say their ethnicity wheter it was croat, serb, muslim, mac, slovene, barely ever have I heard anyone ever say "I am Yugoslav" Everyone was proud of what they were , serbs, croats, slovenes, and there was barely any hate, you could go to the center of Zagreb OR Belgrade and yell "I am Croat!!) (or Serb) And not one person would give a crap..... Today, those time have changed,,, and its not the same,,,,, but to deny it, and think that you have to say "I am Yugoslav" or it would seem that its racism if you say you are "croat or serb"!! ? You must be the biggest idiot in the world. Svugi,,, Svugi, Its time for you to stick your head out of the sandbox and wake up. |
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Post by Jasna on Aug 31, 2004 0:14:47 GMT 1
UCP, the world is not crazy! I also agree with you!  |
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Post by UCP on Aug 31, 2004 0:19:49 GMT 1
Thank You Jasna |
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in Former Yugoslavia!