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Post by Loveu2 on Feb 7, 2005 1:53:50 GMT 1
milan gurovic is such a great basketball player he is so fit and incredibly fun to watch. just because you are jealous that he is playing for serbia and montenegro you cant take the fact that he is not a player in the croat team.
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Post by LoveU2 on Feb 7, 2005 1:56:51 GMT 1
milan gurovic is such a great basketball player he is so fit and incredibly fun to watch. just because you are jealous that he is playing for serbia and montenegro you cant take the fact that he is not a player in the croat team. This is such a childish comment that this has to be written by a teenager! So I will not continue my argument with you child.
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Post by LoveU2 on Feb 7, 2005 2:13:05 GMT 1
excuse me you big headed thingy. milan gurovic can have what ever tatoo on his arm he likes. why is this bothering you get a life and talk about more relevant issues. whats the matter with you croats all you talk about is the war, and how and why it started. this is not relevant now that the war has beeen over nearly 15 years ago. Actually.... No, he should not be able to do what he wants. Don't you think that he is a role model to children especially Serbian children.... You stupid serbs let him have a tatoo of a murderer on his arm for all your children to see... what are you teaching your serb children...I guess you want your serb children to hate Croatians... How ignorant and you talk about croatians talking about the war......does not sound like we croats have a problem,it sounds more like u serbs do! and I am sure that if one of our players walked onto the court with a Big U, or Ante Pavelic tatooed to his arm, you serbs would be having tantrum.... and one other thing someone on this thread said he was a really great player....well actually he is an okay player.... so don't make him out to be more than he is... He is an okay player with a disgusting offensive tatoo!
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Post by irac on Feb 7, 2005 2:13:40 GMT 1
Er, yes, I actually do, funnily living here gives one that insight, especially when I'm surrounded by basketball nuts. Like I said, any symbol, including a swastika, or ustache symbol or a dead military leader, should always be tasteful. Going around wearing offensive symbols cannot be condoned, but the rules should be applied across the board, including, loveu2 (except for serbs) stupid nationalists of every brand.
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Post by irac on Feb 7, 2005 2:19:53 GMT 1
oh poor loveU2, what a shock you'll get in Croatia. And just a thought, is not wearing the cross, Catholic, a terrible thing? Remember it was used to rally the masses and murderers from across Europe to go murder, wait for it, Jews, Muslims and especially Christians over a period of centuries (a lttle thing called the Crusades). Please, stop pontificating about how offended others would be if this was done and that was done, the guy is paying the price for probably a few minutes drunken stupidity, and do remember this, all around Croatia, especially amongst sports supporters, pictures of Gotovina are regularly hoisted with chants of his greatness, like in recent games featuring Croat vs Serbian basketball sides. A bunch of baying fans shouting "Kill the Serbs, Kill the Serbs", hmm, I think all need a reality check.
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Post by LoveU2 on Feb 7, 2005 2:43:05 GMT 1
Late onto it, but, for some reason this is going nowhere. Nationalism is not always positive, or negative. Slapping down on Serbs and telling them they did bad, and then making a fuss over symbols, well, maybe loveU2 should have a glance or three around the country she's moving to, and see the growing undercurrent of discontent that sees the ustasche symbol daubed on everything from bus shelters to stadium fencing. The cetniks were the best buddies of the Allies when it was necessary, but when it suited, good old mass murdering Tito became the golden haired boy. Any parallels there with a certain middle eastern, recently deposed and awaiting execution, oops, trial, dictator? As for the tattoo, a player possessing a swastika on his or her arm in a major league anywhere in the world would be ostracised, but not all athletes have the brains to know better. I have seen the things written on Croatian walls, it is more than just U's. That happens in every country... here in the usa, you have people spray painting on walls things like Nig*gger,swaztika's,white power, down with whites, you see everything written on walls. This is not just a problem in Croatia.... I am sure that are some nasty things written about Croats on Serb walls. My point is that someone whether Croatian or Serb should not be allowed to show that tatoo at games. It would be like me wearing picture of hitler on my arm and going to a game in Israel.....I don't think the jews woudl be to happy about that. I would be banned from the country! I think we have every right to choose who we allow to play in our country...
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Post by LoveU2 on Feb 7, 2005 2:46:36 GMT 1
oh poor loveU2, what a shock you'll get in Croatia. And just a thought, is not wearing the cross, Catholic, a terrible thing? Remember it was used to rally the masses and murderers from across Europe to go murder, wait for it, Jews, Muslims and especially Christians over a period of centuries (a lttle thing called the Crusades). Please, stop pontificating about how offended others would be if this was done and that was done, the guy is paying the price for probably a few minutes drunken stupidity, and do remember this, all around Croatia, especially amongst sports supporters, pictures of Gotovina are regularly hoisted with chants of his greatness, like in recent games featuring Croat vs Serbian basketball sides. A bunch of baying fans shouting "Kill the Serbs, Kill the Serbs", hmm, I think all need a reality check. Hello I am a croatain citizen....no shock here!
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Post by LoveU2 on Feb 7, 2005 2:50:48 GMT 1
You say he probably got the tattoo while drunk.... far from it... he did it because he is a Croatian hating person..... You can't be that ignorant that you would not know that they have laser's that take off tatoo's. It is fairly painless and can take a tatoo off completely.... So no he is not sorry he has that tat!
Are you really Irish Hmmm betting protestant?
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Post by Three Lions on Feb 7, 2005 3:15:52 GMT 1
His an idiot, getting a tattoo is the equilivant of injecting your skin with industrial car paint
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Post by irac on Feb 7, 2005 10:06:43 GMT 1
Poor love nobody, again you resort to childishness and ignorance, and being silly. It doesn't matter if you are a Croatian citizen, and you are proving you should think twice about it. You have a vry backward hatred of Serbs, far more than I believe someone of your inelligence should have. And trying to belittle people by brining religion into it, isn't that lowering yourself into the trap so many have used to massacre others? What does it matter what religion anyone is, I am Irish and happy to be so as I was born here, it doesn't matter what I am. And funnily enough, saying who you allow to play in YOUR country, well, thing is, these are athletes, owned by wealthy people, and they realy don't give a hoot about the common fan, they do it for the money! And will you stand up at the next Zadar game, whenever you decide to move to Croatia, to protest against the stupidity when Red Star are in town? Hmm, and you know, getting a tattoo is plain sily anyway, a waste of ink and skin, spot on Three Lions. But we all have to learn to live withit!
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Post by irac on Feb 7, 2005 10:14:39 GMT 1
And just so you can get ready to object and protest in advance, within the next 18 months, there will be a regional fotball superleague created to run in conjunction with existing fixtures. The best 2 teams from Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, SCG and Hungary will play in some yet to be defined format. Now, if you are truly a dalmatinka as you say, then you will be writing and calling that nice man Igor (who is a nice guy) and demanding that Hajduk pull out of the competition because of Serb attrocities inthe war, and maybe then the Bosnian team will withdraw because of Croat and Serb attrocities in the war. And maybe the Slovenian champs will pull out because of Tito's excesses at the end of WW2, when does it end? Take it from the example in Ireland, not until the intelligent people say, no mas! Even then it's going to be tight, but all people must learn to work together to make somethign happen in Croatia.
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Post by Loveu2 on Feb 7, 2005 19:21:58 GMT 1
And just so you can get ready to object and protest in advance, within the next 18 months, there will be a regional fotball superleague created to run in conjunction with existing fixtures. The best 2 teams from Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, SCG and Hungary will play in some yet to be defined format. Now, if you are truly a dalmatinka as you say, then you will be writing and calling that nice man Igor (who is a nice guy) and demanding that Hajduk pull out of the competition because of Serb attrocities inthe war, and maybe then the Bosnian team will withdraw because of Croat and Serb attrocities in the war. And maybe the Slovenian champs will pull out because of Tito's excesses at the end of WW2, when does it end? Take it from the example in Ireland, not until the intelligent people say, no mas! Even then it's going to be tight, but all people must learn to work together to make somethign happen in Croatia. This is about a tattoo.....nothing else, nothing more! You are making it into more than a tattoo.... The moral of the story.... Offensive, racist tattoo's should not be displayed on a court for the world to see. This is about a GAME.... not one man's hate! Again....Tattoo....NO PLAY Get rid of the TATTOO and you can play to your hearts content no matter what he thinks of Croatians!!!! LoveU2
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Post by irac on Feb 7, 2005 19:35:00 GMT 1
It's about freedom of expression and the abuse of it, which includes slagging off other peoples. Last year a certain English gentleman won the World Darts title. He was a likeable, heavily overweight chap, that was somewhat of an underdog. In Ireland many sports fans hoped he'd do well, and accepted who he was. A man who bore a very insulting and outrageous tattoo that showed his allegiance to the loyalist cause. He has since played in the Republic and applauded for his skills, but again, it's his opinion and despite the decades of violence, murder and misery visited upon both sides of the divide, we strive to get on. It isn;t just about tattoos, it's about people's attitude and why they need to change. And maybe your change of heart on all this is your lack of knowledge of what is happening in your "other" country, but don't worry, I can't tell you who's number one in Ireland, nor how rotten our government are behaving.
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Post by Loveu2 on Feb 7, 2005 20:01:08 GMT 1
It's about freedom of expression and the abuse of it, which includes slagging off other peoples. Last year a certain English gentleman won the World Darts title. He was a likeable, heavily overweight chap, that was somewhat of an underdog. In Ireland many sports fans hoped he'd do well, and accepted who he was. A man who bore a very insulting and outrageous tattoo that showed his allegiance to the loyalist cause. He has since played in the Republic and applauded for his skills, but again, it's his opinion and despite the decades of violence, murder and misery visited upon both sides of the divide, we strive to get on. It isn;t just about tattoos, it's about people's attitude and why they need to change. And maybe your change of heart on all this is your lack of knowledge of what is happening in your "other" country, but don't worry, I can't tell you who's number one in Ireland, nor how rotten our government are behaving. Please don't try to tell me about my country.... just because I don't want to swallow your opinion..... Honey my country does not need the likes of you in it.... Go back to where you came from and keep that attitude there. Freedom of expression....My as*ss! WRONG is WRONG and you can't twist it to make it RIGHT! Sorry Racitst and offensive tattoo's on a court is wrong, showing it while you play darts is wrong. Most people in the world would agree to that. The only people that want to see that tattoo at a game is maybe serbs who would like to piss off a few croats. Maybe a few disturbed individuals that have no moral values...that is about it....Everyone in the world with decency and values would say NO to that tattoo. LoveU2
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Post by irac on Feb 7, 2005 20:12:22 GMT 1
Let it go, the guy can easily wear a t-shirt under his vest, or at least a bandage or plaster over it, and besides, having a tatoo is a bit retarded anyway, don't people think forward 30 years when their skin sags.
And it's lovely to be told to go back where I came from, I suggest telling that to the people in Knin, Siveric, and those I know in Split and so on, sick with it in the states, aren't they building an intolerant nation you guys can all be proud of. Being born into an ethnic, and I use that loosely, group isn't a gift, it's to be respected and worked with. Maybe you should ask some fellow thinkers along same lines in SAudi, who believe that being born Muslim is enough. It takes a lot more than being born into a nationality to make it work.
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