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Post by atavus on May 2, 2006 11:03:27 GMT 1
True, 3rd rate set ups for the FA's in the UK and Ireland seem to be the norm As soon as I realised you were suggesting the Irish fa and English fa were at a similar level, it became clear you are not capable of reasonable debate on this issue if you want to talk seriously about it, let me know, and I'll read the rest of your responses. It is akin to comparing customers service in Japan to customer service in Croatia.
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Post by irac on May 2, 2006 11:42:38 GMT 1
Well , maybe it's a fact that the truth isn't always so appealing. No doubt the FAI have botched up time and again, in the same way as the spineless english fa sold out to sky, have yet to complete a National Stadium, organised themselves enough to pick a manager for their "elite" team etc, iit goes on, but there's no sense it worrying about it, money talks and decency walks so in essence there is little or no difference in the 3 stooge mentality of the UK and Irish fa's, well paid amateurs running a professional game with little getting back (100% from Irish, N. Irish and Welsh exp, from brief exp and reports form Eng) to grassroots. But then again, it's easier to be derogatory than actually accept facts and present solutions, isn't that more reminiscent of the poster over whom you left (in well founded protest) another board?
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Post by atavus on May 2, 2006 11:49:30 GMT 1
Irac, you outline the difference in your own posts, the English fa in your words sold out, as a businessman yourself I find your choice of words unusual however it shows the difference, more money passes through the English fa in a few weeks than the Irish fa in a year.
The English fa may be clowns, but their circus is on another level to the Irish fa, you're comparing apples and pears.
I have never heard of an English captain walking out because of the poor planning and lack of funding at the f.a.
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Post by irac on May 2, 2006 12:13:12 GMT 1
Maybe as I'm dealing in business I understand the market, money and position of the sport in the two countries, so, as I said, they are both run by s incapable of doing much other than lining their pockets, but I certainly don't understand selling out. The Irish captain was thrown out, he didn't walk. At the same time the Slovenians had their probs and the culmination of the English challenge was the complete failure of the national coach to inspire anything from his team despite playing a Brazilian team that were far from flawless and not a good, in reality, as the combined english squad (in my reckoning). Of course more money comes into the english game, as is dictated by population size, interest in the sport and it's position, soccer is a lagging 4th in Ireland and will never be better than 3rd, which is no bad thing. The main difference in mess ups between the different fa's is the amount of media time given to them. Irish and English fa's messed up their central stadium dev's, had prob's with the blazer crews, problems with their players, but the FAI will take the clubs back on board as economy and good sense dictates in another year. The English fa are beholden to their clubs at the expense of the hundreds of thousands who play the game at all levels. Apples and pears are both fruit, both fa's are wallys.
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Post by atavus on May 2, 2006 12:25:19 GMT 1
You still wont admit the main point, the Irish fa and English fa are on different levels, I wont even waste my time arguing about it, because we both know there is no comparison, you're just arguing for the sake of it.
Marcos, Cafu, Lucio, Roberto Carlos, , Silva, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, dida, kaka, denilson and the best brazillian of all time JUNINHO, there some of the players I remember from that squad, England started with Danny Mills, Butt, Hargreaveas Trevor Sinclair.Heskey...clearly brazil had the better team.
They were the best team at a very poor world cup that stunk of more corruption than the average Croatian businessman.
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Post by irac on May 2, 2006 12:31:37 GMT 1
I guess the fingernails are gone and the need to argue is there, so keep it going, it's not even of interest. your big lettered player was great because he played for your club, but his team cheated and were given a win against Turkey, played poor average ball and struggled against makeweights from Germany who were a team disunited. England had a chance to beat them but didn't, Ireland had Spain gone but couldn't finish the job. It happens.
I don't see any difference in the appalling behaviour of the fa's, both have let the game down, both are not looking after the people they should, if that fact is wrong I've yet to see proof. Maybe it's a personal issue for you, but size (in this regard) means nothing as both have made internationally famous blunders, or can you present proof to the contrary?
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Post by atavus on May 2, 2006 12:45:10 GMT 1
Well if Miro the cab driver who owns 3 more taxi's runs his 'fleet' badly and upsets his staff, I don't think that can be compared to a blue chip that is ran badly and upsets its staff.
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Post by irac on May 2, 2006 12:52:47 GMT 1
So one is letting their members down more than the other or one has had bigger mess ups than the other? I don't understand what your point is? You began love/ghostesque as an attack to "defend" English honour, which didn't need to be done as there was no attack in the 1st place, and seem to try to prolong your retorts, why? What is the point? Neither fa is a shining beacon, the FAI have teh excuse that it's 4th in line in Ireland, but it's not an excuse, the Egnlish fa that they are bigger and thus face more problems, but that's not an excuse. Both have messed up and betrayed their members and allowed money to run rule. Again I don't see any facts to the contrary.
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Post by atavus on May 2, 2006 13:37:20 GMT 1
Irac firstly don't compare me with that wh*re ever again, secondly you are just as defensive in nature, except you don't admit it to yourself.
The fact is what I am saying is clear to anybody who knows anything about football whereas yours is very ambiguous and lacking in facts.
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Post by irac on May 2, 2006 13:48:31 GMT 1
well, it's normal to comparre when your initial post was on the attack the the follow up rude and dismissive, though there was an absence of slander which was a major difference. However, you seem to have a different definition of fact than most others, like saying the irish captain walked out, when he was thrown out. Your entire argument seems to be, the bigger the association the bigger the problems, which really isn't an argument, more just little boy stuff from the playground. I haven't even attempted to defend anything and if it's truth of a mess up then why bother to defend it, it happens.
Ther have yet to be facts posted, correct ones, by you, apart from size. Other than that there is no point to your continuing to argue?
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Post by atavus on May 2, 2006 13:56:59 GMT 1
Ok one by one
True, 3rd rate set ups for the FA's in the UK and Ireland seem to be the norm
You are suggesting they are on a similar level, it is just utter nonsense and anybody that knows anything about football would agree with that, you're flirting around the issue as you don't want to appear incorrect.
Roy Keane walked out....he then changed his mind but was told he was not welcome back.
As a friend of Irish internationals Bernie Slaven and Curtis Fleming's I can tell you many more things that happened that never came out, but I am sworn to secrecy.
Therefore what I said is 100% correct, agree? sure you do (although you wont admit it)
Secondly, you over 2 years or so have had numerous digs at English football even suggesting the German league is of a higher standard, clearly you're not the expert you think you are. You're clearly very jealous of English football, it is understandable, Irish 'soccer' is worse than Croatia's and they only have 5m people. I am in no way a nationalist so don't compare me to that filthy cigan, your style is more reminiscent of her, I do become patriotic about footballing matters 6 weeks before a world cup, especially when somebody is talking so much 8888
...Those who consider themselves an expert on every subject are rarely an expert on any, that reminds me of you and one other poster on here.
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Post by irac on May 2, 2006 14:11:40 GMT 1
facts are off a lot, 4.5m, and since soceris way down on the pecking order there's no point in worrying about rudeness of posts. As the fingernails must be well worn and a new need for venting sought. Strange that the two players mentioned weren;t in Saipan, whereas one of the men thre made things clear last year in the lilywhites, but again, it's not the fact or the reasons it's some misguided desire to be rude and continue pointless arguments. Whatever you say you're right, 100%, totally and completely, sure Roy walked out, sure we have 5million people, oh sure we're jealous of a foreign sport (maybe it's like the Scottish and baseball - just as ridiculous a statement). So there you go, all your facts are completely right, you know all and the good old love/ghost would be delighted with the aggressive mentality and nature of the prvious posts. Spot on, well done, you made whatever the point you were trying to make that was never there to be mad in the first place.
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Post by atavus on May 2, 2006 14:21:22 GMT 1
Even in irony it is the first time you have ever admitted you're wrong, it is a start.
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Post by irac on May 2, 2006 15:23:28 GMT 1
of course, you're right on all counts, for whatever reason you began your attacks you were right then, even though it is still puzzling as to why you bothered at all when you were clearly a name in your own household. Didn't see anything wrong in my previous posts, diffrent sizes of fa's, England missing out on beating Brazil, our former captain being thrown out, nope, nothing there, still, when you see all you're in a clearer position than any others to write, it is like that other person only no slander or teenage us angst, stil wondering about the pointelss attack though. But even in having no point to begin with you are right, wow, thanks for the enlightenment.
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Post by atavus on May 2, 2006 15:30:30 GMT 1
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