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Post by Three Lions on Feb 28, 2005 21:40:19 GMT 1
....maybe old timer you think MI6 has helped set this serb government up. Plausible?
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Post by Old Guest on Mar 1, 2005 2:14:40 GMT 1
....maybe old timer you think MI6 has helped set this serb government up. Plausible? Nope, there is no space for such paranoias ... it is all about politics and interests, emotions have nothing to do with it.
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Post by Three Lions on Mar 1, 2005 2:32:12 GMT 1
.....if paranioa and emotions have nothing to do with the Balkans then I'm a Bannana...
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Post by Old Guest on Mar 1, 2005 2:35:28 GMT 1
....maybe old timer you think MI6 has helped set this serb government up. Plausible? And by the way ... can you explain this coincidence - SiCG premier Marovic used examples of Gotovina and Ivica Rajic for complaining to EU for not looking Croatia and SiCG with same eyes on way to membership. Since, as he said Gotovina and Rajic are not treated as same serious obsticles as "Karadzic and Mladic". Then UK medias (and Mr. McS) repeated same thing about Croatia not doing anything on discovering "supporting network" for Gotovina and Rajic. And by the way, Rajic is in Haague for months.
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Post by Old Guest on Mar 1, 2005 2:39:24 GMT 1
.....if paranioa and emotions have nothing to do with the Balkans then I'm a Bannana... Well, I am not Balcans ... I am "old guest", and I can speak only for myself. And possibly be wrong, of course.
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Post by Three Lions on Mar 1, 2005 7:01:53 GMT 1
you see old timer, if Croatia joins the EU then it won't be able to do anything nasty to these "serb fifth columnists", it will be forced to follow a line set by Brussels. Britain has found that it has had a large part of its sovereignty taken away by the EU.
Now the problem is can Croatia do anything by itself to solve these problems and there are obviously other huge ethnic problems in other areas of Croatia.
More problems than answers? Can these serbs be ignored - a dangerous game I'd say.
Don't know!
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Post by Barba Jere on Mar 1, 2005 7:35:31 GMT 1
you see old timer, if Croatia joins the EU then it won't be able to do anything nasty to these "serb fifth columnists", it will be forced to follow a line set by Brussels. Britain has found that it has had a large part of its sovereignty taken away by the EU. Now the problem is can Croatia do anything by itself to solve these problems and there are obviously other huge ethnic problems in other areas of Croatia. More problems than answers? Can these serbs be ignored - a dangerous game I'd say. Don't know! but then Serbs will not be able to ask for autonomy within Croatia since it would create presedan in EU. there are some regions in EU that want simmilar things.
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Post by Old Guest on Mar 1, 2005 8:18:57 GMT 1
you see old timer, if Croatia joins the EU then it won't be able to do anything nasty to these "serb fifth columnists", it will be forced to follow a line set by Brussels. Britain has found that it has had a large part of its sovereignty taken away by the EU. Now the problem is can Croatia do anything by itself to solve these problems and there are obviously other huge ethnic problems in other areas of Croatia. More problems than answers? Can these serbs be ignored - a dangerous game I'd say. Don't know! You are arguing with wrong person. When I supported any sort of discrimination ? And what "serb fifth columnists" you are talking about. What was your question, again ?
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Post by Old Guest on Mar 1, 2005 8:33:14 GMT 1
you see old timer, if Croatia joins the EU then it won't be able to do anything nasty to these "serb fifth columnists", it will be forced to follow a line set by Brussels. Britain has found that it has had a large part of its sovereignty taken away by the EU. Now the problem is can Croatia do anything by itself to solve these problems and there are obviously other huge ethnic problems in other areas of Croatia. More problems than answers? Can these serbs be ignored - a dangerous game I'd say. Don't know! Well, all 3 of you ... Maybe elections sounds "nasty" to someone ... Serb representatives are siting in Croatian parlament, and are priticipating in major political decisions (they are in coalition with leading party) ... And really think that Brussels line is - great Serbia, or rediculous political platform of some idiots which already lost one war and "achieved" great misery for their own people ? What dangerous game you are talking about ? I don't see any dangerous game or games.
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Post by EMIZ on Mar 1, 2005 11:10:50 GMT 1
I'm staying out of this one, but it's interesting to read
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Post by dim on Mar 1, 2005 12:06:04 GMT 1
NGO'S ASK SERBIAN AUTHORITIES TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM 'RSK GOVERNMENT' BELGRADE, Feb 28 (Hina) - The Igman Initiative, an association gathering about 100 nongovernmental organisations from Serbia-Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Croatia, on Monday asked Serbian authorities to distance themselves from last Saturday's founding session of the government in exile of the former statelet called Republic of Serb Krajina (RSK). We rightfully expect the Serbian authorities to respond to this event in order to remove any suspicion that they may stand behind it, the Initiative's co-chairman, Aleksandar Popov, told Beta agency on Monday in Belgrade. He said that last Saturday's move would in no way help improve the position of Serbs in Croatia. "I believe that this is an attempt by a group of people who are to a great extent accountable for the tragedy which Croatian Serbs experienced, to come back on the scene and manipulate people who are now refugees due to their policy," Popov said. He assessed that the relations between Croatia and Serbia-Montenegro were improving and and they were on the right path towards the solution of refugees' problems, but last Saturday's convention in Belgrade is "an attempt to push things back in the past" and obstruct the process of refugee return. Last Saturday in Belgrade, the so-called RSK government in exile was formed by about 40 exiled politicians from once occupied Croatian territory, The former parliament speaker of the unrecognised statelet established by Serb rebels in Croatia in the early 1990s, Rajko Lezajic, told the press before the session this was "the first extraordinary session in exile" at which deputies elected at "regular parliamentary elections" in 1993 had been invited. About 40 of the then 82 deputies attended.
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Post by Dim on Mar 1, 2005 12:07:07 GMT 1
SEKS ON 'KRAJINA' GOVERNMENT IN EXILE ZAGREB, Feb 28 (Hina) - Commenting on Saturday's forming of the Republic of Serb Krajina government in exile, Croatian Parliament Speaker Vladimir Seks said on Monday this was a political provocation coming from defeated nostalgists. "It (the government) is being promoted at the time when the largest part of our activities is directed at assuring our European partners that Croatia is meeting the necessary conditions for the start of EU entry talks," Seks told reporters in Osijek where he attended the opening of new Faculty of the Economy premises. "This is mere provocation which has no ground for any political debates, but it still should remind us that the idea of Greater Serbia is not dead and that there are still some people who are advocating that idea," said Seks. Asked to comment on reactions from official sources in Serbia about that government in exile, Seks said the Serbian authorities had distanced themselves from that. He added he expected the Serbian authorities to distance themselves in a little stronger manner, but added the Krajina government reflected the reminiscences of defeated political factors who had been completely defeated in the idea to create another state within Croatia
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Post by Dim on Mar 1, 2005 12:08:05 GMT 1
ZAGREB, Feb 28 (Hina) - Serbia and Montenegro Ambassador Milan Simurdic was called to the Croatian Foreign and European Integration Ministry on Monday, where he was informed the government strongly condemned last weekend's session of the so-called Republic of Serb Krajina (RSK) parliament, which formed the so called RSK government in exile, the ministry said in a press release. The ambassador was also informed that the Croatian government was disappointed and protested against the lack of an adequate official reaction from the Serbia and Montenegro government which would clearly distance itself from events completely in opposition to the European spirit of cooperation, the press release said, adding that such events unnecessarily cast a shadow on the improving relations between Zagreb and Belgrade. The so-called RSK was an unrecognised statelet established by Serb rebels in Croatia in the early 1990s.
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Post by Old Guest on Mar 1, 2005 22:34:10 GMT 1
I read good article on thibject writen by Milorad Pupovac, one of Serbian minority representatives in Croatian parlament. Unfortunately my english is not good enough for you to understand translation ... So maybe someone could extract few points he made in last "Nacional".
One I noticed is - "those who at this moment revitalise idea of "RSK goverment" have obvious but short-term goals. It is very much obvious even for them that this initiative can't seriously influence decision EU will make about negotiations with Croatia, but thry will do everything possible to use this occasion inside Serbia against pro-EU polititians Tadic and Kostunica, waking up political extremism inside miserable refugees and poore population, using this logic: "Don't you see real face of Europe, and what kind of political supporters in Serbia they have ? In contex of forthcomeing negotiations about Kosovo status, and in light of Montenegro's independance intiatives, it is obvious that right-wing parties lead by radical Tomo Nikolic( in people know as "undertaker") will do everything possible to mobilise all unheappy and demoralised."
... Okay, enough so far ...I got tired ... I hope you understood this translation ...
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Post by faux pas on Mar 12, 2005 0:24:29 GMT 1
Vjesnik has also its own interpretation of their goals which, according to this article, are not just shor-termed: didn't follow all discussion, sorry if someone already mentioned or posted it....
Renewal of Greater-Serbia aspirations
Vjesnik
March 7, 2005
By Marko Barišiæ
Perhaps they are frivolous and silly as stated by Zagreb and most likely only a “handful of extremists” as indicated by Belgrade. However, the foundation of a so-called government-in-exile of [the Republic of Serbian] Krajina in Belgrade and their first council in Novi Sad is actually a renewal of Greater-Serbia aspirations towards Croatia. Such conclusion follows from the composition of that so-called government, from their declared objectives, and especially from Belgrade’s position towards it. Let’s go one by one.
That “government” is formed by the same persons who, until the elimination of the Serbian para-state in Croatia, had supported and carried out the Greater Serbia concept based on mass murder and ethnic cleansing of non-Serbian population.
Next, their current political demands calling for resumption of Vance’s Plan and Z-4 Plan are aimed at destabilizing Croatia and overthrowing the current constitutional order through restoration of the occupying para-state “krajina” within the political-territorial system of today’s Croatia.
It is interesting that this has been brought back by the same persons who bragged about their refusal to consider Z-4 Contact Group plan that offered the state in the state to Knin’s Serbs. But both Ležajiæ and Buha, as well as their bosses Martiæ and Babiæ, stressed at that time that their only acceptable option was accession of “krajina” to Serbia. Obviously, they haven’t changed their position in the meantime. Now they want to achieve their old objectives through different means.
The fact that a halfhearted response to the renewal of Greater-Serbia aspirations came from the head of the state with a delay of even several days shows that official Belgrade bears responsibility, too.
If there is no clear political turn from that “handful of extremists” on the part of the government there, Belgrade will still be suspected of harboring the forces close to, or perhaps even within, the government, who advocate, or at best tolerate, the two-faced, hostile policy towards Croatia. In that case, this is unfavorable not only for Croatia, but also for Serbia.
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