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Post by Ribaric on Apr 16, 2005 20:11:02 GMT 1
I've not seen those hoardings but, in truth, I'd probably not have realised the significance at the time. You are right of course, although I do see pictures of Blair plastered all over the place (sorry - couldn't resist). Thinking about the murals on houses in, now I've got to get this right....Northern Ireland - Six counties - Ulster... then I have the same sense of despair about the mindset behind them. It wasn't until you poointed that out that i saw the parallel so I regard myself as having been educated - thanks.
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Post by irac on Apr 16, 2005 20:58:21 GMT 1
Blair a war criminal......my god, what blasphemy No, I'd place our own "great leader" in the dock for his compplicity in the war for oil, and what he's done the last few weeks regarding the opening up of the home of national sports in Ireland is a further disgrace. It's a little funny in the north where you have all these murals, kerbstones painted in the areas that are chronically poor and underfunded and left to their own devices, put that across the continent and slap it down in North Dalmatia, wher the area is used as an electioneering tool and reason for international funding for "poor" Croatia, yet only a few drops of the pity rag reach the area. I guess you can find areas all over the world like this, but specifically in Croatia these hoardings, the mindless graffiti and general bluster of s.eads and other twits are constantly being fed back via NGO's to headquarters and then used as one of the reasons to hold the country back. But in truth, the country is being held back by those who are meant to lead!
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Post by Old Guest on Apr 17, 2005 15:33:55 GMT 1
Well, I must explain something here ...
Croatia is probably country with hugest gap between primitives and civilised persons ... with one specific issue about it.
Primitivism is "more acceptable" and if it is (or was) connected to any sort of violence - it has money, power and influence.
But if all Croatians are "primitives", Croatia would be ritchest country on this planet (this is how menthal engine of "primitives" in Croatia indeed function). And (nad but) this is not fact.
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Post by 3lions on Apr 17, 2005 16:47:14 GMT 1
I think that one needs more explaining...how do I recognise the "primitives" and how do I recognise the "civilised?" Are there not more "primitives" in Iraq, Sudan, Angola or Afghanistan, or even the good old USA? And are these two types of people separated at birth?
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Post by Ribaric on Apr 17, 2005 21:20:52 GMT 1
Get yourself a "primitive detector" from RONCO, buy two and get one free - and that's not all! - every customer who introduces a new user to the RONCO detector's club receives a free gift - and we'll fit it free - or your money back.
Call Ribaric, our local trusted dealer for your area.
I think I'll have another glass of merlot.........
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Post by irac on Apr 19, 2005 7:59:31 GMT 1
Serbia have been given an October start date for talks, but the list of stipulations are 50% longer than Croatias, but that's mainly down to infrastructure. But the government of Serbia have promised that they will aggressively pursue those who had committed war crimes and that they have already shown they are willing to co-operate with their neighbours, namely a historic apology with Croatia and a coming one with Bosnian victims.
Is it just me or is Croatia starting to get pushed to the side? Oh, and it was the Germans who are pressing for Serbia, along with, wait for it, Hungary, the Czechs, and 4 others who haven't been named in the report!
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Post by ZAGREB on Apr 19, 2005 10:01:27 GMT 1
Can we all get this straight, Croatia is a far far pooorer country than any of those that have just entered the EU, it is on a level with Romania, a little above Bulgaria and a long way ahead of Ukraine and Turkey (though Turkey's industry is growing fast). This is the stupidest thing ever written on this forum. What argument do you have? Statistics? Personal experience? Even ENIZ would't give such absurd statements...
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Post by Old Guest on Apr 19, 2005 11:11:42 GMT 1
Is it just me or is Croatia starting to get pushed to the side? Oh, and it was the Germans who are pressing for Serbia, along with, wait for it, Hungary, the Czechs, and 4 others who haven't been named in the report! So what ? Should this make us jaleous or something ? At last you will have one country by your "proportions", to help it with your "knowledge, wisdom and humanity" ... well, liitle bit less sea for "beaching about it" ... but, you will menage.
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Post by fakfejs on May 17, 2005 0:36:57 GMT 1
just dream about this ..........
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 10:11:12 GMT 1
Dream about what ?
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Post by EMIZ on May 17, 2005 10:11:15 GMT 1
I missed this thread, but here goes...I wont offer much political as I don't know anything other than my opinion, I will just say that Croatia's arrogance in dealings and refusal to play the game like everybody else has to will stop them progressing.
However with regards to economy, Croatia is in much better shape than Romania, from the trade floor level to corporate concerns.
Inflation in Romania is around 6%, real growth is from memory is approximately -8%.
Croatia's Gdp per capita is significantly higher as is its growth; Bulgaria is in an even worse position.
However the one thing I would say for these countries is that local prices are in relation to local salaries, they do not suffer from the false economy of low salaries and high prices that Croats endure.
Going back to the original topic, Bulgaria and Romania are economic paradise compared to Serbia, Serbia’s inflation was almost 505 the last time I looked the gdp per capita was some third world number less than $3000. There is no way that Serbia will get in the Eu anytime soon, Croatia’s concern should be that the remaining part of“former Yugoslavia” for trade and control reasons is being treated as one region.
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Post by EMIZ on May 17, 2005 10:14:13 GMT 1
I missed this thread, but here goes...I wont offer much political insight as I don't know anything other than my opinion, I will just say that Croatia's arrogance in dealings and refusal to play the game like everybody else will stop them progressing.
However with regards to economy, Croatia is in much better shape than Romania, from the trade floor level to corporate concerns.
Inflation in Romania is around 6%, real growth is from memory is approximately -8%.
Croatia's Gdp per capita is significantly higher as is its growth; Bulgaria is in an even worse position.
However the one thing I would say for these countries is that local prices are in relation to local salaries, they do not suffer from the false economy of low salaries and high prices that Croats endure.
Going back to the original topic, Bulgaria and Romania are economic paradise compared to Serbia, Serbia’s inflation was almost 50% the last time I looked the gdp per capita was some third world number less than $3000. There is no way that Serbia will get in the Eu anytime soon, Croatia’s concern should be that the remaining part of`“former Yugoslavia” for trade and control reasons is being treated as one region
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 10:33:46 GMT 1
I missed this thread, but here goes...I wont offer much political insight as I don't know anything other than my opinion, I will just say that Croatia's arrogance in dealings and refusal to play the game like everybody else will stop them progressing. However with regards to economy, Croatia is in much better shape than Romania, from the trade floor level to corporate concerns. Inflation in Romania is around 6%, real growth is from memory is approximately -8%. Croatia's Gdp per capita is significantly higher as is its growth; Bulgaria is in an even worse position. However the one thing I would say for these countries is that local prices are in relation to local salaries, they do not suffer from the false economy of low salaries and high prices that Croats endure. Going back to the original topic, Bulgaria and Romania are economic paradise compared to Serbia, Serbia’s inflation was almost 50% the last time I looked the gdp per capita was some third world number less than $3000. There is no way that Serbia will get in the Eu anytime soon, Croatia’s concern should be that the remaining part of`“former Yugoslavia” for trade and control reasons is being treated as one region Why arrogance ? Each country has right to deal with its own future, as long it doesn't break international lows. If EU and UK have some interests, they are free to have them. But their interests are not Croatias interestst nor Croatia has obligation about them. I am looking foreward to see how this "region" will function without Croatia. Only idiot can believe that Croatia could be "starved to death" or "surounded and exhausted" until it "breaks up", just because UK want it. When "watter comes to neck" it will become much different, both for Croatia and EU. And we will see who will be able to better menage European "Midle East", EU or Croatia, and how will surrounding countries support it to make UK happy. Let's wait and see ... We have a lot of time here.
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 11:10:52 GMT 1
And after all EMIZ, as long as Serbian Foreign minister talks in public about Croatia and Croatians as enemies, we must be careful. First, because USA and UK supports this rethorics, and second - because we don't have any reason to not take it for serious.
Accepting any closer relations then necessery with such country would be suicidal under such circumstances.
Personaly I understand what is going on, I see that "anti-communism" become "in" by USA, because it distracts publick from real shapes of religious war they are involved in. I understand that "anti-communism" is so populat that even if it was connected with nazis, it is "more acceptable" then "anti-fashism" connected with "communism".
But I don't see Croatia at all in this. Serbia is free to "bend over" and believe that "pragmatical love will last forever", but Croatia don't have reason to "bend over" and destroy it's own future in long terms.
I am not saying that most of Croatias polititians are not real idiots (like theny are almost everywhere), but some things are more important then "todays politics", and it will break on Croatias head after "trends" dissapear from global political scene.
USA and partly UK can afford to follow "trends", but Croatia can't.
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Post by EMIZ on May 17, 2005 11:27:26 GMT 1
So you can accept that Croatia has to act differently than the uk or usa with regards to current trends but not in its marketing of its country?
Croatia is an outsider in the Eu, thus you have to be very soft, very obedient and play the game as every other new nation does. Croatia is not position to demand anything, it’s only in a position to say yes sir.
If and when Croatia joins the eu, you can change your stance, because then you are in a position to demand more. Then you can say no sir we want abc.
As for saying Croatia won’t starve, everything is relative, Croatia will not grow from within, where will the money come from? Croats will not suffer a famine but if the Eu puts the 60% import tax on Croatia products like Croatia has on some Eu products, Croatia will be bankrupt within 12 months. I therefore suggest this country is starving at the moment, and using less than 20% of its potential.
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