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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 11:34:04 GMT 1
No, I suggest that croatia should act differntly towards UK and USA then Serbia.
Digging "grawes" just to become member of some phantome "anti-communism" coalition where nobody with same brain can see that "fearing communism" on this planet, will move Croatia far away from EU and USA.
Serbia always functioned like "sticker", and if they get Croatia "to do the job" they can play with history, alies, kings and kingdoms, like they did before ... I don't blame them. But my priority is to stay away from such "too tight" friendsip.
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 11:56:40 GMT 1
Well, if Croatia is already starving then you see something I don't see (possible, Croatia is huuuge country) ...
Croatia survived war, was almost completly isolated, and I don't see why would EU destroy Croatia now just to make Serbia happy. I don't see anybody except Serbia and it's alie UK acting towards Croatia as "natural enemie", wishing it to become part of "new Balkans".
Of course, while there is so much guns around, nobody will directly oposse to those who are holding guns and are in "exstasy of power", especialy in case of Croatia.
But again, I don't think that any European country with exception of Serbia and UK would like Croatia to sisapere from face of the Earth.
Most EU countries have critical oppinions about Croatia and I mostly agree with them, because they are constructive and they include Croatia and it's ecsistance in this critisism.
So, it is important to separate those two "critical aproaches", because they are not same. Right now they are covered under "EU's" brand, and very soft, because one of them is holding gun over others head.
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Post by EMIZ on May 17, 2005 12:48:21 GMT 1
You have to get out of this victim of the Uk regime attitude, the uk like everybody else will do what is best for its own country.
If Croatia is viewed as an attractive place to invest then the uk will welcome Croatia.
As I said everything is relative, are you happy for the Croatian economy to keep the status quo? Very low salaries, high unemployment and high prices? Surely not.
If that is all you know, then I guess one can understand the better the devil you know attitude, but wouldn't you prefer to have the chance to earn more money, to further your career and to be treated better than the vast majority of Croatian workers are? You seem like a fairly young guy, I'm sure you would like better career prospects.
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 12:52:55 GMT 1
Who said that we are victims of anything or anybody ?
Political facts are political facts, and interests are interests. I don't see why would we need to "attract" UK anyhow to get it's positive attention. Or I was saying that we need any kind of attention from UK. Because we don't.
Bad luck is that we are close to Serbia, Serbia has aspirations towars Croatia, and UK count's on Serbia making it happy.
Then, discover us miracle Serbia did to "sttrsct" UK's attention.
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 13:03:24 GMT 1
You have to get out of this victim of the Uk regime attitude, the uk like everybody else will do what is best for its own country. If Croatia is viewed as an attractive place to invest then the uk will welcome Croatia. As I said everything is relative, are you happy for the Croatian economy to keep the status quo? Very low salaries, high unemployment and high prices? Surely not. If that is all you know, then I guess one can understand the better the devil you know attitude, but wouldn't you prefer to have the chance to earn more money, to further your career and to be treated better than the vast majority of Croatian workers are? You seem like a fairly young guy, I'm sure you would like better career prospects. Well, I am not too old. But I wouldn't call myself "very young". And I don't see how you come to such conclusion from my comments (are they "too naive" for your taste ? Or they "don't reflect same reality you see ?) But I still don't see any benefit for Croatia saying "yes sir" to UK, until there is such political, diplmatical and inteligence attitude UK has over Croatia (mostly UK completely denies Croatian suverenity, which is fact). Also, I don't wan't such country to invest too much in my country (until it doesn't change its political attitude) so I will not find myself in possition to deal with UK "defending it's interestest and investments" on my territory, because of some deeply political or strategical reasons. Fact is that UK hasn't profiled it strategical standpoint towards Croatia. And before this, accepting UK investing in country (without limits and in "viltal strategical areas") will be politicaly naive and destructive in terms of Croatian souverenity, which is priority for Croatian citizens, no metter what UK or anybody else thinks about it. And considering my personal life standard, it is very high and I am not polititian.
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Post by carthan81 on May 17, 2005 13:26:44 GMT 1
Digby Jones of the CBI visited Croatia last year... "...British business is cautious, it is true, but this is partly because Croatia needs to make itself more attractive to foreign investors." "...Croatia has not created the best environment to attract foreign investment. There are many factors involved, e.g. labour costs, trading conditions, security of payment, land tenure, tax incentives etc." "One of the key areas which needs reform is the judicial system ...Another common concern is weakness of the legal system and land registry." www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1089131046442
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Post by EMIZ on May 17, 2005 13:43:09 GMT 1
I have met Mr. Digby several times and I know how frustrating he finds this region, I also know that he seems a lot of potential here.
As for the registry I am currently having my own battle with them re taxes, they have set up the system were foreigners will be screwed no matter what, because regardless of the situation, if you cannot prove things with Croatian paperwork, you're screwed.
Not sure I can beat the crooked system this time, but god knows I am going to try.
Old guest you may have a good personal situation, but I am sure you know plenty of people who don’t, I have several friends who are doctors and studied for a long time and cannot get a job, and others work 60 hours a week for 5000 kunas.
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 14:00:25 GMT 1
There is many people here expecting goverment to decide what they should do with their lifes.
Ask any of your friends doctors why they don't start private parctice (and this is "gold mine" here) and they will all tell you - goverment hasn't this, goverment hasn't that.
But they will never complain about such expensive education they got for free.
Excuse me, but this is menthality and not goverments guilt. You can change whatever you wan't but 50 percent of high educated people will still think that rest of the world has obligations towards their huge and allways suffering - ego.
You taked worse possible example. Those same "educated" doctors participate in Croatian politics more then anybody else.
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 14:02:31 GMT 1
... and to add to your favorite corruption - doctors participate in "casual corruption" by 85 percent.
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Post by EMIZ on May 17, 2005 14:44:27 GMT 1
Old guest are you suggesting that everybody that received a Croatian education should spend their life’s thanking the state? I think 50% tax is more than enough gratitude.
I have heard that doctors here regularly take “presents” there is an easy answer to that if everybody stops bribing them in the hope of preferential treatment everybody will be treated equally.
I will not support any doctors taking bribes; I do however have sympathy for the meager salaries.
I was actually involved in a program here to find jobs for Croatian dentists in the uk, were there is a shortage of qualified workers, these people would go abroad work for two years, earn what they could earn in 10 years in Croatia and bring new experiences and money home to Croatia, the government blocked it, as they need an over crowded market place to keep salaries down.
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 18:42:59 GMT 1
Actualy they can open private practice, and they have no obligations toward goverment if you tried to imply this (about "education" and taxes).
But they prefere to work in overcrowded hospitals working at same time "on black" in private clinics.
But you surprised me ... after spitting on everything you started to defend most rotten part of this society, who's members socialy still acts exactly same as 19th century bougoasie. But I won't dicuss it any more because you havent answered anything just started to state something which is non-explainable anyway.
If doctor with diploma can't figure out how to make money, and what to do with his life - I just can feel sorry for him (in best and most polite case).
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Post by EMIZ on May 17, 2005 21:21:41 GMT 1
I find the contradiction between your communist ideals and your own personal success contradictory at best. As far as I know there are only four ways for a Croatian doctor to earn money, work for the state legally, work for a private practice legally, take bribes or work abroad.
State workers are paid pittance, the government has blocked overseas movement for many doctors as I have already stated. Opening any private business here is risky. I will never justify any corruption but I can understand how somebody who has investment so much in themselves feels they deserve more than 5000 kunas a month.
If a Doctor or anybody else works in a private company, they are not turning their back on the state, they like you are paying insanely high tax to the state, forget the politicians, they are just elected monkeys who couldn’t find proper jobs. This is the Croatian people’s money. In the uk when somebody asks you how much you are paid you quote the gross (bruto) amount, and then spit at the government for taking so much in taxes, Croats seem to forget that the government is taking their money and not using it very well.
So I don’t understand your sentiments that they (the Croatian educated Doctors) are turning the back on the state when they chose to earn a decent salary. As for the reasons why the government doesn’t have anything, the chief minister for health owns a company that sells medical equipment, he is waiting until his company has the new products before the state purchases huge quantities of medical equipment.
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Post by Olf Guest on May 17, 2005 22:43:26 GMT 1
You are just complete waist of time ... call your mother communist idiotic bustard ...
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Post by Old Guest on May 17, 2005 22:47:29 GMT 1
It is unbelevable who someone can describe himself so easy ... It is better to be a communist (like you ever sow communist in your life) then snob.
If you find excuses for "educated elite" (actualy look on hospitalised persons - mortality statistics) which elected this same minister ... what can I say ... I just hope for enough strong wind to choke you with your own spit.
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Post by EMIZ on May 17, 2005 23:07:20 GMT 1
Temper temper old boy, I don't quite understand why you are so angry, perhaps a local doctor asked you for money for treatment today.
I already stated that I do not condone doctors taking bribes. That doesn’t mean they don't deserve a chance to be rewarded for their many years of study and sacrifice.
I don't think I misunderstood you, but just to clarify you think that Croatian educated Doctors owe the state for their free education thus they should work for the state for a low salary without complaint, if I have understood you correctly, that is a very communist ideal.
Why just Doctors, why not all Croats?
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